Talk:Antimilitarism

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Manifesto[edit]

There should be included an external link to the international "Manifesto against conscription and the military system" (with a list of all signatories between 1993 and 2007), official website: http://home.snafu.de/mkgandhi/manifest.htm. Chrbartolf 13:47, 10 January 2007 (UTC)Chrbartolf

Rosicrucians[edit]

I move this here for discussion on inclusion. IMHO, it belongs rather to pacifism: antimilitarism is against military forces, which by definition are state-forces. It is not simply a peace doctrine. Beside, its understanding of the concept of "just war", which has historically been used to justify wars, is far from being a common viewpoint for an antimilitarist. Tazmaniacs 23:42, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

The Rosicrucians' point of view[edit]

Rosicrucians have publicly expressed in the early 20th century that no enduring peace can ever be achieved until militarism is definitely put away, meaning that the manufacturing of arms, according to them, must be abolished and instead arbitration processes established everytime conflicting issues arise, whether among individuals or nations (Heindel, Max, Letters to Students (The Purpose of War and Our Attitude Toward It, ed. 1918), ISBN 0-911274-09-X) . Rosicrucians, in the same sense as the popular quotation "Educate the children so you won't have to punish men" attributed to the philosopher Pythagoras, emphasize that it is through educational efforts that the world may achieve the basis for living permanently in peace. Nevertheless, Rosicrucians have also their own views, based in principles of spirituality, regarding the complex issues of just war and the concepts of the philosophy of war (Max Heindel, The Rosicrucian Philosophy in Questions and Answers - Volume II (The Philosophy of War, ed. 1918), ISBN 0-911274-90-1). Antimilitarists in general, however, strongly oppose the concept

Point of View[edit]

This article has point-of-view problems, to say the least. While it is accurate to say that antimilitarism is an outcome of critical theory which questions nationalism, the link between questioning nationalism and promoting communism seems pretty tenuous. I'm flagging this one for POV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by El Ojo (talkcontribs) 08:09, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Quick summary of Wikipedia's antimilitarism page[edit]

Antimilitarism – A doctrine critical of nationalism and imperialism, often found in the anarchist and socialist movements. An explicit goal of the First and Second Internationals. Whereas pacifism is opposition to violence in general, antimilitarism is opposed to inter-states war and militarism. Antimilitarism is based on a critical analysis of the military state, the military-industrial complex, patriotism and nationalist concepts of sovereignty. Antimilitarism was commonly found alongside anti-clericalism, since the Church and the Army both represented repressive institutions. Antimilitarism, as a specific doctrine distinguished from pacifism, is not opposed to violence in general, but mainly to the state's monopoly on legitimate violence, represented by its control of police forces and the military. Antimilitarism is often a logical consequence of anti-statism, and vice-versa. There are different types of violence, some of which are legitimate and not. Capitalism has often been thought to be a major cause of wars. The military-industrial complex "pushes for war" because of private economic interests.--71.234.69.28 (talk) 01:23, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

On "Thoreau's pacifism"[edit]

HDT was not a pacificst and never suggested that people dont fight for what they beleive in. He instead suggested that we fight non-violently. Thoreau was also NOT an "anarchist", as anarchism=violence. He advocated for people to be themselves and not other dictate life to them. This is in line with being "anti-military", but he is not what people want him, only what he is.

"...some can be patriotic who have no self-respect, and sacrifice the greater to the less. They love the soil which makes their graves, but have no sympathy with the spirit which may still animate their clay. Patriotism is a maggot in their heads." Walden, Conclusion

"...unlike those who call themselves no-government men, I ask for, not at one no government, but at once a better government. Let every man make known what kind of government would command his respect, and that will be one step toward obtaining it." Civil Disobedience

"...I will cheerfully obey those who know and can do better than I..." Civil Disobedience

"I do not say that John or Jonathan will realize all this; but such is the character of that morrow which mere lapse of time can never make to dawn. The light which puts out our eyes is darkness to us. Only that day dawns to which we are awake. There is more day to dawn. The sun is but a morning star." Walden, Conclusion — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.145.127.182 (talk) 23:57, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Anarchism does not equal violence. You might want to read the article on Anarchism. Anarcham (talk) 15:06, 20 September 2013 (UTC)