Talk:Antonio Inoki

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Impersonations[edit]

Should the article talk about how he is often impersonated on Japanese TV and by comedians, much in the same way that Arnold Schwartzenegger is in the US?

Article needs clean-up[edit]

This article needs some clean-up:

  • The "Wrestling Career" section is highly unstructured. It should either be chronological, or broken up into sections, e.g., JWA, Tokyo Pro, NJPW wrestler, NJPW lead booker.
  • The last paragraph which accuses him of lying should be re-written to maintain NPOV
  • No citations at all in the article
  • The trivia section is way too long, and a lot of it is political trivia. Why not just make a "Political career" section? Patiwat 10:21, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Benoit trained in Inoki Dojo?[edit]

Did Chris Benoit really train in the Inoki Dojo? I thought that Benoit trained in the NJPW Dojo, but not the modern Inoki Dojo. Please correct me or the article. Patiwat 10:45, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

If I'm not mistaken the Inoki Dojos are the Japanese NJPW Dojo and the NJPW LA Dojo which I don't think began till the late 90's. I would suspect that you're right and Benoit simply trained in the NJPW Dojo in Japan. That whole part may cause problems because in some cases it may be hard to tell who trained where. Samoa Joe definitely trained in the LA Dojo, I'd suspect Sakuraba only trained in Japan.
Shamrock is hard to say, I would have thought he would have been too well established by the late 90s to have trained in LA and the Dojo probably opened too late for his move into wrestling, it is possible he may have trained in the Japan Dojo while he was fighting in Pancrase though. It may be best to remove every expect Joe until there's evidence for the rest. --Kiltman67 16:05, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Went to the LA Dojo website and it refered to it as the Inoki Dojo in places. Don't know if we can take this as meaning it's the only Inoki Dojo. I'd suspect that since Inoki ran New Japan and no doubt had some input in the Japanese Dojo, it may be difficult to clarify which one in particular is being talked about. --Kiltman67 18:16, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

The Cleanup[edit]

I noticed the suggestion that the last paragraph mentioning his claims was not NPOV, anybody have any ideas how to change this? It's quite well known by anybody who follows the business of Puroresu that Inoki says a lot of wild things that don't come true. --Kiltman67 16:10, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Secondly, when it comes to the Wrestling section it should probably just be rearranged in some chronological fashion, any attempt to divide it into new sections will probably reveal a lack of material there to work with. There is a lot out there to write about but it's all spread across many sites and finding reputable sources rather than comments on news sites might hard. --Kiltman67 16:14, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

MMA Fights[edit]

With the exception of the Ali match it might be hard to find evidence that his fights (outside the Final Countdown) were legit. Not necessarily because they weren't, but rather that there isn't much written about them. It might be worth saying the Ali match was legit, since there's plenty evidence, but avoiding this issue with other matches. --Kiltman67 16:17, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Recently added details about his bouts with Everett Eddie and Willie Williams, including links to the complete bouts, only to find that the edits had been undone within 13 minutes. --User:SkippyTheSkeptic —Preceding undated comment added 21:55, 26 November 2011 (UTC).

The Ali fight[edit]

I have read that Ali at first wanted the worked fight, but then altered his mind because he did not wish to deceive his fans (the first fight being a loss to Inoki, the worked sequel being a win)(Halbared 12:59, 15 August 2006 (UTC))

I saw a picture of Inoki fighting Ali, and he looked remarkably similar to a character from Dragon Ball Z. I can't remember his name, but this guy in DBZ has the "muffed" hair like Inoki had in this picture, and he was also a fake wrestler. I'm just curious if Inoki inspired this character. Would anybody be able to do research on this? I can't seem to find anything. Thanks! DS7202 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.240.69.231 (talk) 01:16, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, where is it?[edit]

ok, someone has removed the Image (photo) of Antonio Inoki, someone please put it back !!! --T00C00L 15:08, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Contradiction[edit]

Though many of inoki's matches were dismissed by the skeptics as worked by some, there has been little or no proof at all to suggest the validity of the worked theory and Inoki's mixed martial arts opponents have never stated that the matches were "fake", till now he has confirmed of engaging in only one worked MMA match, that being Antonio Inoki vs Renzo Gracie.

Yet later in the article,

Inoki's other MMA-style matches are widely thought to have been worked, although many believe them to have been legitimate.

Is there a better way to word this because it sounds contradictory to me.

Aika 17:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Curiosities[edit]

This is just a kind of suggestion, i found it would be nice to have this kind of information, even it´s not that important for puroresu in general.

It would be nice and quite... fun for the user to read a list of famous people that got blessed (slaped) by Inoki. What do ya think?

Castro[edit]

Someone keeps adding this nonsense to the article:

Inoki was the first government official from a democractic nation to have a political meeting with Fidel Castro of Cuba.

Castro was meeting all kinds of people in the 1950s before he met Nixon in 1959. A political career meeting virtually every world leader from all continents from 1959 onwards indicates that Antonio Inoki, born in 1943, was not the first!-- Zleitzen(talk) 11:54, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Championship name[edit]

The name of the WWF championship that Inoki won was called the WWWF World Martial Arts Heavyweight Championship and not the WWF New Japan Martial Arts Championship. I've made the necessary changes to the championship article itself and the proper changes to the Inoki article. http://www.wrestling-titles.com/japan/newjapan/wwf-ma.html

"accusations of Yakuza involvement and bribery"[edit]

This claim under Personal Life should either be supported by credible citations or deleted.  Mr JM  02:08, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Original research in Inoki's mixed martial arts involvement[edit]

Contrary to what the article says, no reliable source establishes that Inoki had several MMA matches. Other than the one with Ali, all the rest of the is original research. Unless someone can provide reliable sources to back up that information, it will be removed along with the "Mixed martial arts" record section. Jfgslo (talk) 15:40, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

I have removed everything related to mixed martial arts that was original research or that had no verifiability. If someone believes that this information should be restored, then provide reliable sources that back it up, otherwise it will be removed again per WP:OR and WP:V. Jfgslo (talk) 05:01, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Too much editing activity on MMA versus anything else[edit]

Recently added to this talk page, but further up on the page, we find:

Recently added details about his bouts with Everett Eddie and Willie Williams, including links to the complete bouts, only to find that the edits had been undone within 13 minutes. --User:SkippyTheSkeptic —Preceding undated comment added 21:55, 26 November 2011 (UTC).

Well, the reasons were given in the edit summary. If "YouTube is not a reliable source" is a valid reason for reversion on countless other articles, then it applies here, too. YouTube links should be added to the external links section if they're of value to the article.

The problem is that this is one of far too many articles on my watchlist in which excessive editing activity occurs to only one limited aspect of the article, while the remainder of the article is left badly in need of work. The user whom Skippy is presumably responding to claims that there is a lack of reliably sourced information on Inoki. I assume that user means that there is a lack of information in English. Otherwise, you would be claiming that Weekly Gong is not a reliable source, which is flat out ludicrous. The mainstream Japanese media has covered Inoki's career in excruciating detail pretty much since Day One, presumably leaving out most of the incriminating bits.

The section on New Japan has more to do with American wrestling than it does with New Japan. It completely fails to mention the fact that New Japan, in its heyday, was ten times bigger than the WWE has ever been. This especially includes television exposure, which many modern-day wrestling fans appear to use as a sole determinant of notability for the purposes of portraying pro wrestling on Wikipedia. Of course, pointing this out would destroy the myths built by the WWE shills/apologists/historical revisionists who exist in abundance on the web. Inoki's role as New Japan's leader and his conflicting personal agendas/ego issues, which led directly to ebbs and flows in New Japan's bottom line and popularity over many years, have been written about countless times. I shouldn't have to point out the whole story with Satoru Sayama and Akira Maeda during the mid 1980s, just to name the prime example.

His political career is only mentioned in the article by virtue of his inclusion in Category:Japanese sportsperson–politicians. Do you mean to tell me that there are no reliable sources to reference his service in a national-level legislative position? Bullshit. Someone simply decided not to do the research because it may not have been so easy to do. Or someone else felt it didn't fit in with their "My Little Corner Of The World Is Important" complex. Either way, an all-too-common problem on Wikipedia.RadioKAOS (talk) 23:37, 26 November 2011 (UT

If the issue in question is as menial as a series of pro wrestling matches, and the main source of English-language information about these events happens to be a pair of video links -->depicting them in their entirety<-- then I see no reason to gouge each other's eyes out about it. I've added additional citations from Blackbelt Magazine and a pair of prominent Karate websites (as the two Inoki "opponents" discussed in my update were both karateka) in order to provide more concrete sources. Also, "peacock terms"? That said, I do sympathize regarding the lack of English primary sources about a figure as important to pro wrestling as Inoki. SkippyTheSkeptic

"It completely fails to mention the fact that New Japan, in its heyday, was ten times bigger than the WWE has ever been." Have you ever heard of something called math? Clearly not.174.73.5.74 (talk) 03:41, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Islam - Muhammad Hussain Inoki[edit]

Antonio Inoki converted to Islam and changed his new name!

http://www.gerweck.net/2012/12/22/antonio-inoki-accepts-islam-and-changes-name-to-muhammad-hussain/ http://www.aaj.tv/2012/12/i-accepted-islam-and-my-name-is-muhammad-hussain-antonio-inoki/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/muhammad-hussain-inoki-back-in-pakistan/2012/12/07/b2551da6-4074-11e2-ae43-cf491b837f7b_gallery.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.116.242.76 (talk) 18:04, 24 December 2012 (UTC)