Talk:Anwar Sadat

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Mubarak[edit]

Not particularly important, but I think the Hosni Mubarak stuff was relevant - it was the response to Sadat's assassination and ought to be included, especially since it continues the pattern established by Sadat of repressing Islamists. Graft 01:22, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Where's the real picture?[edit]

A black-and-white picture of the Carter, Begin, and Sadat standing in line? What? Let's have that picture where Begin and Sadat are shaking hands with a smiling Carter behind them! - Hbdragon88 05:14, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

The dates at the beginning of this article may be wrong, and at any rate are phrased in a confusing manner. This really needs to be fixed.

I think a color picture was not put up in order hide his clear African characteristics.--Mrman2 23:12, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey, I'm an egyptian and I agree, Anwar Sadat does not represent Egyptians color or race that's Because he's Half Egyptian half Sudanese(African Country)

Infobox[edit]

That infobox in the article was quite a mess. I took the liberty to work on it and I think it's looking better now. However, it's still lacking the Prime Minister. Maybe someone could check on that. I'm not sure how to add that. Thanks! ;) --Maxl 16:57, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

There is a misnomer in this article. The Egyptian people are not Arab. They identify with the Arab world and consider themselves Arab, but this does not make it so. The Egyptian People are a racial mix of Black North Africans, Nubians, and varios other peoples. They are not really racially Arab. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Oji The Unseen (talkcontribs) 21:15, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

An Arab is simply someone whose first language is Arabic... a descriptor that does apply to the vast majority of Egyptians. --Nicole Javaly
Technically not true. Arabs are a nationality with an academic definition.

Photo[edit]

Once again. Anwar Sadat deserves better than that crappy photo of him, Carter, and Begin standing in line. Can we please somehow acquire a color copy of that famous handshake? The B&W one that was put up was removed due to a lack of source info, and anyway the color version IMO is much better. - Hbdragon88 04:45, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Images[edit]

I think there is no harm in keeping both images, but we also want to make sure we are not faced with the same situation that happened when all the images were removed — Zerida * 21:33, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

What was the story Zerida?--Zleitzen 21:35, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
If you check the history you'll find that the page had many images until an admin stepped in to clear and subsequently put most of them up for deletion as part of an encyclopedia-wide clean-up. Because of the insistence on keeping the image of the American production (see reverts between admin and user), the Egyptian film poster was apparently deleted. I think it's legitimate to have one of the Egyptian production if only one of the images are allowed to stay. — Zerida * 21:46, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
I've tried to find all kinds of ways in which the two pictures could be incorporated into the article, but you're right, there is no room for two and the Egyptian production must take precedence. --Zleitzen 00:09, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Change of article name required; should read Anwar Al Sadat[edit]

As Anwar Al Sadat carries the "Al" (Arabic: ال) in his name, this encyclopaedic entry should do justice to the correct and factual citing of names, having the missing name fragment duly added! The Article should thus read "ANWAR AL SADAT". (In comparison we would not speak of Charles Gaulle, when referring to Charles de Gaulle, would we??). Additionally the inherent Arabic phonetics ought to be mentioned here: In Arabic the name is pronounced Anwar As'Sadat (ASSADAT) the L remaining silent. The name will never be cited as "Anwar Sadat", while the last name SADAT, without the preceding Arabic article "Al" (the) is often used, however only when standing alone. Someone ought to create an article ANWAR AL SADAT and have this article redirected to it! Pantherarosa 21:49, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Done. You could easily have done it yourself by "move". --Maxl 19:14, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

New picture[edit]

I put a more appropiate image of the former president on the page. Elhombre72 00:32, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Bias[edit]

There seems to be lots of bias in this article, most obviously the sentence "He was a great leader." slipped in at the end of "During Nasser's Presidency". There is also presumed bias intended against Anwar sadat heritage without any authentic source being cited(unsigned comment)

According to the article:

"[T]he United Nations Security Council passed Resolution 338 on 22 October 1973, calling for an immediate ceasefire. Although agreed upon, the cease fire was immediately broken by Israel with full knowledge of the United States. The aim was to allow Israel enter negotiations from a stronger position by threatening to starve and eventually destroy the trapped Egyptian Army. The encirclement was completed on the 25 October three days after the cease fire was brokered."

But according to the wikipedia article on Resolution 339, the Egyptians broke the ceasefire. I'm not sure which is right. Sources on either side? --gejyspa (talk) 22:08, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Changes to form and prose[edit]

I've made some edits, mostly to form and prose rather than substantive factual alterations. Removing superfluous statements, which though factual, are not good prose and hinder the literary quality of the page, and relocating part of the "During Nasser's presidency" section to the "Presidency" section. The former section requires a great deal more information, but the portion that I moved is better located in the "Presidency" section. Final edit of significance relates to the October War, including mention of The Crossing. Louse 10:07, 8 April 2007 (UTC) Also, the citation of (autumn of fury) by Mohammad Heikal is not found or valided by any of the book shown; and only shows a search for "black sudanese mother". It would seem to be intended to demean black african heritage.

Assassination[edit]

Toward the end of ch. 4 of Vali Nasr's book The Shia Revival it is implied that Muslim revolutionaries under Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran had encouraged the assassination with money and organizational help. In fact, that book says that there is a street in Tehran named after the chief assassin, Khalid al-Islambuli. Shouldn't there be something about Iran in the article next to allegations about Egypt, the US and Israel? Orthografer 04:17, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Well: I have to agree with you. Extremely sexy 20:27, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
I don't think anyone who actually knows anything about Egyptian Islamists takes seriously the idea that the Gama'a Islamiyya (or the Jihad Group)were in any way shape or form connected to Shi'a Islamists from Iran. The fact that the Iranian revolution had just succeeded may have given them some hope, but there is no chance whatsoever that the Iranians were behind this. jackbrown 05:58, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

On a somewhat related note, I am surprised that this article pins the assassination on the Jihad group unconditionally. My understanding was that in 1981, the 'Majlis al-Shura' ('Consultative Council') of the Gama'a Islamiyya (headed by the famed 'blind shaykh') recruited Khalid Islambuli to carry out its decision to assassinate Sadat. Members of the council were arrested two weeks before the killing, but they didn't spill the beans, and Islambuli killed Sadat. For an account that uses this version of events, look at Middle East Report,'s January-March 1996 issue, specifically Hisham Mubarak's interview with Tala'at Qasim, ex-head of the Gama'a Islamiyya. On pages 42-43 Qasim deals specifically with rumors of Jihad Group involvement in the assassination, and denies them entirely. I think the Wiki article needs to deal with the question of authorship of the assassination more directly and clearly.jackbrown 05:58, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Included your info in the article. --BoogaLouie 21:18, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Nobel Prize[edit]

The article is lacking a more thorough coverage of Anwar El Sadat receiving the Nobel Peace Prize together with Israeli minister Menachem Begin, and the circumstances thereof. --AVM (talk) 01:40, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Peace with Israel picture[edit]

I quite like this picture with regards to the peace deal, better than the ones that are there anyway... It has all three of them without as much clutter in the background. I guess they all look grumpy though... Any thoughts? TastyCakes (talk) 21:23, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Bias-1973 October War (Yom Kippur War)-source and text Copy & Pasted[edit]

Under the section "Presidency", there are several paragraphs dedicated to the 1973 October War (Yom Kippur War). The first and largest paragraphs, which discuss the 1973 October War (Yom Kippur War), cite only one source, based on an opinion, not an article by Edward Luttwak, and it is written in an editorial format, from The Jerusalem Post. The information (on the war) is presented as if it is based on a highly praised source, followed by a half page direct quote from Luttwak. I might also add that Luttwak’s quoted “commentary” makes references to Hezbollah (which he incorrectly spells “Hizbullah”) the Islamic paramilitary group formed in Lebanon, in 1982! Why is Luttwak referring to a group that was formed 9 years after the October 1973 events, where he is praising Egypt’s conduct? This error on his part is not slight; it is an example of why this source and Luttwak (as an author) should not be used as a resource. The quote is again, entirely Luttwak’s opinion, and is not followed by information from any other source (or sourced opinion). This is virtually the entire source for Egypt and Sadat's actions and involvement of the 1973 October War. Thus, it is bias and does not fit into Wikipedia's criteria for neutrality. Luttwack is a historian, writer, lecturer, and consultant who is often, criticised for his one sided writings. His NY Times article was the leading link to Obama's abandonment of his "Islamic" faith and roots, was ultimately labelled a "smear" campaign not only of Presidential Candidate, Barack Obama but also of Muslims, in general. Citing Luttwak’s praise of Egypt's performance in the October War (Yom Kippur War), in the wake of the 2006 Lebanon War, is unduly bias, as well as, confusing. The 1973 war was between Egypt, Syria and Israel, over the key locations of land lost in the Six-Day War. The 2006 Lebanon War was between Lebanon and Israel and directly related to the 1982 invasion of Lebanon by Israel. Additionally, the paragraphs on the 1973 October War, are an exact copy and paste from the article in The Daily Observer of Gambia titled "The Big Read: Anwar El Sadat, A martyr of peace" [1]. I would like to re-write this section on the 1973 October War involving Sadat, and the events leading up to the event, once I have a few more sources which can provide various prospective and approaches of the events. --irshgrl500 (talk) 08:38, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

El Sadat[edit]

What idiot changed Sadat's name to El Sadat?
He is called Anwar Sadat in English. This is English Wikipedia, not Arabic Wikipedia.
Varlaam (talk) 02:51, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Bias[edit]

This article had a lot of bias. Some even called him "an agent of the west", Sadat claimed! These are against wikipedia policies. Please state facts and add references. Per Wiki policies and read WP on how to edit, staying neutral, using reliable sources on biographies: WP:AGF, WP:CIV, WP:HOW, WP:NPOV, and WP:BLP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr eng x (talkcontribs) 21:49, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Removed[edit]

Seems bizarre - need cite

Not long after that it is believed that Gamal moved to Australia and changed his last name. He wanted to move out of the spot light and live in a peaceful nation that knew nothing of his past. Gamal was last spotted playing tennis in Melbourne's North West. He was quoted at the time as having muttered the words "forget it, go to Olex". As yet, no one has figured out the meaning of this strange phrase.

Roadrunner (talk) 10:02, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

I totally agree. The article had a lot of unverifiable sources, biased views, and many boken wiki policies. Therefore my additions, contrbutions and references. It needs to be monitored so addition are of neutral point of view.Dr eng x (talk) 18:41, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Unverifiable and does not represent a neutral point of view;

Many authors make those bizarre, unverifiable, biased views=breaking wiki policies, changes using an IP addressDr eng x (talk) 18:06, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Alzawya Alhamra Massacre-removedDr eng x (talk) 20:33, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Sadat's support of extreme muslim elements, led to multiple incidents of violence targeting Christians. The most bloody attack occurred in Alzawya Alhamra in June 1981 when muslim extremists attacked many christian homes and businesses killing 81 copts. Sadat in a televised speech falsely claimed that only 9 copts were killed. Hassan Abu Basha, who became the minister of interior later on, reported to Alahram Newspaper several years later that 81 copts were killed in these attacks. If Sadat supported extreme muslims why did they kill him?Dr eng x (talk) 18:53, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Page moved to Anwar Sadat. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:59, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Anwar El SadatAnwar al-Sadat — Correct transliteration of his name into English. The a in al-Sadat should be in lowercase as it is preceded by his given name; If it were just his surname the a would be in uppercase --Az88 (talk) 15:45, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

  • Comment Sources seem to disagree: nyt uses Anwar el-Sadat, BBC says Anwar Sadat, etc. Please consider all these options in light of wp:COMMONNAME: "which is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources"? ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 19:06, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
  • Comment - I agree with the above comment about WP:COMMONNAME. We need a lot more than one editor's opinion to make such a major change. Cresix (talk) 19:30, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
  • comment "anwar sadat" 672k ; "anwar el sadat" 146k ; "anwar al sadat" 78k ; 184.144.164.14 (talk) 22:31, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
  • Oppose ; instead rename to Anwar Sadat per WP:COMMONNAME as a result of my google search, "Anwar Sadat" receives 3x more ghits than both el+al combined. 184.144.164.14 (talk) 22:31, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
  • Support, use the English transliteration. GoodDay (talk) 00:48, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
  • Comment ~ i notice that in the past the article has resided at all three names for varying lengths of time, and was moved here by, as far as i can tell, an edit-warring sock (though i pass no judgement on the move itself). We need to determine the most common/acceptable/correct usage. Cheers, LindsayHello 04:44, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
  • Reluctant support for the move as proposed, as, by 184.144's searches el-Sadat is more common than al-Sadat. ("Reluctant" only because for me the mouthfeel of el tends to be more Hebrew, al more Arabic; but that's just personal preference.) Certainly, wherever it goes/stays, the middle word (whichever it is) should be lower-case.
I would offer wholehearted support, however, were someone to propose moving to Anwar Sadat, as by overwhelming usage that seems to be the English common name. Cheers, LindsayHello 05:43, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Agree with Lindsay; we should use the common English name of this person. Support a move towards Anwar Sadat. Flamarande (talk) 11:17, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
  • Consensus seems to be converging on Anwar Sadat; I add my support for that option (common English name).--Kotniski (talk) 10:13, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Economic policies[edit]

I have found that most wiki pages treating the leaders of nations have an economic section and this particular leader absolutely needs one for contextual understanding. Being that Sadat's presidency represented an extreme shift from Nasserian socialist policies to proto-Neoliberal and capitalist/materialist policies (which would be later heralded by Mubarak), the absence of a section dealing with this important shift seems a rather glaring omission. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.71.217.96 (talk) 06:29, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

"Sadat era"[edit]

Is there any reason why that article isn't just merged into this one? FunkMonk (talk) 01:14, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

"Lost Army", Gary S. Chafetz[edit]

There's some blatant self-promotion in the "Assassination" section about some novel called "The Lost Army", but I'm not knowledgable enough about Sadat and modern Egyptian history to seperate the spam from the actual facts. The same edits also appear on the "Assassination of Anwar Sadat" and Hosni Mubarak pages. Someone please sort this out. 131.217.6.9 (talk) 06:15, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Good eye. I have been finding this same text in numerous other articles, and have been reverting it. It is completely unsourced, except for a work of historical fiction, as far as I can see. The additions to the article specifically on Sadat's assassination have already been taken care of. I will now delete all but the first two paragraphs of the "Assassination" section of this article, as it is the same unsourced material. If anyone has anything to say about this action, let's discuss it here. Eflatmajor7th (talk) 02:35, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Imprisoned for the second time[edit]

I've read that he was imprisoned for the second time between 1946-1948, please add this info. Sep-11-13 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.117.91.188 (talk) 22:52, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Personal life history[edit]

Do we really have no information to put up about Anwar Sadat's life before his high level military service and political career? For such an important figure in modern history, this is quite out of place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.77.151.201 (talk) 12:49, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Weapon of Assassination[edit]

I've been told, at varying points by varying people, that the weapon used wasn't an assault rifle, but a Port Said submachine-gun, an Egyptian-made copy of the Swedish M/45. Now, admittedly, there's a national reason for this...but, is there any TRUTH to it? Or is it some sort of weird national fervor? 'Look how efficient and dangerous our guns are, they're even used as the weapon of choice for assassinations', as it were? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.229.59.77 (talk) 21:00, 25 April 2015 (UTC)