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Former good article nominee Appalachian Mountains was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Origin of Name[edit]

Is the word Appalachia Spanish or from the local Red Race tribe? If words such as avocado are Red Race (Native American) then so is Appalachia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.22.155.114 (talk) 12:37, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Not really sure what you are asking. The article states that the word/name was from the local tribe and the Spanish transcribed it as Apalchen or Apalachen. It wasn't originally a Spanish word. Is there something you think should be changed? -- JoannaSerah (talk) 17:03, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

The word Appalachian is formed by the combination of two Sanskrit words followed by the suffix '-ian'. -ian. 'Apara' means the west.( as opposed to the word Poorva which is the East.).’ Isa’ means the Lord or the supreme God ( who is also called Lord Shiva in the Hindu religion)..[ Apara + Isa/ = Apare:Sa/ /Aparesha ( अपर+ ईश = अपरेश ) The abode of Lord Shiva is on Mount Kailas in the Himalayas. Perhaps the continent Asia is so called because it is the Land of Isa. It is said in the first stanza of the ‘ Isavasyopanishad.’ that the entire universe belongs to’ Isovas’ ( some other interpretation is that the entire universe has evolved from the mouth of Lord Isa) . As such the meaning of the word ‘Appalachian mountains ‘means – the western mountains of Lord Isa/Shiva (the western abode of Lord Isa). This means that the native people who originally came to these mountains were the devotees of Lord Shiva. In Hindu religion Lord Shiva is described as a naked God ( digambara) who smears ash all over his body, and His Phallus( Shiva-linga) is worshiped by devout Hindus all over India. The people who lived around these mountains and who are called Appalachians are evidently from the North-West frontier of India-,who lived at the source of the river Indus ( The Phaktoons the Beluchees,,Afgans,the Persians and Mongols etc.). The name Appalachians seems to have been shortened to Apaches and perhaps they were also called Injuns, which means that they are Indians. In Hindu mythology they are called Suparnas / Garudas or Salabhas/ Sarabhas, who lived among the Himalayan birds and could fly by attaching wings and a tail, and also by wearing the mask of a bird. According to Hindu mythology the bird people and the snake people were the children of the two wives of the same sage, but they behaved like born enemies (Wikipedia-Garuda, Suparna, Salabha, Sarabha) They followed each other throughout the world and tried to enslave each other. Indian History says that-even Lord Buddha tried to unite these two warring tribes but without much success. The bird people love birds and feathers and their totem is a bird standing on a tall pole, watching the surroundings. Their chief wears a crown of feathers.They call themselves Aryans. So the words starting with the letters-‘ Ar,Ari etc, are the Aryan words. ( eg. Arizona ,Oregon ,Argentina etc. 117.195.241.178 (talk) 12:11, 16 July 2013 (UTC) Bksatyanarayana

This has nothing to do with the name under discussion here. Rmhermen (talk) 12:22, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
See WP:FRINGE. Bms4880 (talk) 14:12, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
As the lord Peter Tosh said "Don't care where you come from, as long as you're a black man, you're an African. No mind your nationality, you have got the identity of an African". As for the link with the Apache people, their home was some thousands of kilometres from the Appalachians. I think you are drawing a rather long bow here. Djapa Owen (talk) 01:11, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Drainage[edit]

"Because the Appalachian Mountains are such an ancient mountain range, there exists at least one river that flows across it." - this is really a Informal_logical_fallacy. This implies that any ancient mountain range would have at least one river that flows across it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.42.198.11 (talk) 04:26, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Where are Sutton Mountains?[edit]

Mont_Sutton (better described in the french version) is "often considered as part of the green mountains", yet in this whole article, the appalachian mountain range is described as barely touching quebec. Having spent my childhood hiking in those mountains, I found this rather shoking - I have always been under the impression that Sutton, Orford, Brome and basically everything west of Rougemont mountain was part of the appalachian mountain range, and even those - only the Monteregian_Hills article made me doubt that. Shouldn't this be accounted for? -- TheAnarcat (talk) 22:43, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

The article discusses a couple mountain ranges in Quebec as parts of the Appalachians. Are these mountains you list not part of one of those ranges? Rmhermen (talk) 00:42, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
The page doesn't say the Appalachians "barely touch Quebec". The ranges in Quebec are mentioned several times. Maybe you're referring to the map? It doesn't seem quite accurate for the Green Mountains and Quebec and could be improved. From what I can tell Monts Sutton are considered part of the Green Mountains, although our Green Mountains page doesn't say anything about Quebec. That ought to be addressed—the page is very Vermont-centric. Quebec's geographic names database describes Monts Sutton as a range within the Green Mountains, [11]. Mont Sutton is listed as a ski resort but not a peak itself. Canadian Geographical Names doesn't list either Mont Sutton or Monts Sutton, but Canadian topo maps show "Monts Sutton" as a range [12]. Peakbagger isn't a reliable source (they sometimes make things up), but for what it's worth they put the Monts Sutton peaks in what they call the "Canadian Green Mountains", [13]. With a bit of research better sources could be found on the topic, I would think. Pfly (talk) 08:49, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Planned Edits[edit]

Hi there! I am a student at Ohio University and I am currently taking a writing course that deals with writing in and editing Wikipedia articles. I am planning on doing some edits on this article. I am planning on creating a list of subranges of Appalachian Mountains as well as working on some of the existing information. I plan on working on this article in my sandbox. I am open to suggestions, comments, questions, or advice. Thanks! ZackaryMullikin (talk) 19:52, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Assessment[edit]

I was appalled to see that this is only a C-class article, formerly a GA candidate. Looking in the history, I see it was downgraded in 2010[14] without much controversy and its status has remained unchanged. Since that time, some 908 changes have been made to the article. I think it is time to reconsider it for a reassessment and a peer review, because in my mind this is not a C-class article. What-all is missing from the article that makes it worthy of only a C that isn't better placed on Appalachia and other connected articles (e.g. Geology of the Appalachians etc.)? Presently, all I can think of is:

  • Appalachian_map.jpg is misleading since it implies that the Appalachians are limited to the USGS's geological sections
  • the map appears to be kind of haphazard, and possibly even WP:OR; surely there exists an XML on the USGS website that contains its real boundaries?
  • more text added about the northern Appalachians, esp. the Sutton mountain range
  • Others...?

- SweetNightmares 20:23, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

In addition, the lede probably needs to be overhauled, and at least a third paragraph added. Bms4880 (talk) 21:06, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
I have changed the map for now, but this is still not preferable since it
  1. has text on it
  2. doesn't include the Canadian Appalachians
  3. focuses on the valley rather than its mountains
2 more bullets to add to the list:
  • The history section needs LOTS of references and should talk about the Cumberland Gap/Daniel Boone more... honestly the history of the Appalachians is so great it probably should have its own article :/
  • The section on "drainage" should be expanded with info on the Great Appalachian Valley and what-all happened during glaciation.
- SweetNightmares 22:40, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

There is lots of useful information to incorporate from here (Northern Arizona University). - SweetNightmares 18:48, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Another interesting tidbit from Ohio U. - SweetNightmares 18:59, 21 August 2014 (UTC)