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I don't want to get into an edit war with Sonicthemeatball over jokes end at noon, but[edit]

As far as I can tell I have provided the only valid citation for April Fools jokes ceasing at noon (The Lore and Language of School Children, Iona & Peter Opie, OUP, 1959) This source also has jokes ending at noon in the US, which this page has always given as one of the countries where it continues all day. As I have stated I do not want to get into an edit war and so will not be the one making the change.

I have some sympathy for Sonicthemeatball's beliefs that jokes continue all day (though not his fanaticism in protesting them) I think the tradition has changed in recent years with the advent of media involvement but there is no evidence beyond anecdote and personal belief and that is the big sticking point. MidlandLinda (talk) 17:54, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Is this really an issue? 71.178.131.76 (talk) 20:19, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
    • Read the edit history and you'll see how strongly he feels about it.MidlandLinda (talk) 15:13, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Does the Opie source mention any of the countries in the lede, or just the UK and the USA? I've had a look around for other sources, but haven't found anything very reliable, and it mostly just mentions "some countries" without naming them. Perhaps that's the direction we should take with this article, if the only source we have is 50 years old and possibly obsolete in some respects. It'd be good to sort this out by the end of the month... --McGeddon (talk) 15:56, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

The Opie source is not definitive. Perhaps it's useful for historical information. The book's methodology was to interview children, in the 1950s. One 9 year old child said that at 4 pm on April 1, "kissing time" starts. I suggest taking out the list of countries, because we do not have up-to-date sources on that. And just mention the Opie source, later in the article, noting that it reflects interviews with children in the 1950s. See also WP:WEIGHT. Logical Cowboy (talk) 16:15, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
The Opies used the methodology of folklorist across the world and taking all four volumes of children's games and sayings together they form a pretty definitive corpus. However as I said above, I do think the tradition has changed in more recent years and the Opies are restricted to the time and geographical spread of their research. We need more than anecdote and personal belief for evidence, can anyone find anything in the on-line newspaper archives perhaps. MidlandLinda (talk) 22:03, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Perhaps the note should mention the context of their research, rather than making it as a flat assertion with it as a supporting ref. Something along the lines of "research into common folklore conducted by Such and Such in the 1950s found that-" etc. I'm not sure one ref from the 1950s is enough for what appears to be a broad assertion in the article.Number36 (talk) 02:04, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Hm, it appears to have been removed completely from the article now, I'm sure that's appropriate, it was sourced after all. Just the assertion may have been a bit to broad from the contents of the reference. Something about the 12 o'clock rule should be in the article, though only with due weight, considering it was only one reference unless anything further can be found.Number36 (talk) 03:28, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
It's irritating that their research continued into the 90s (the last book of the set "Children's Games with Things" includes POGS) but the earlier books have not been up-dated. They do say on page 233, in the New Year's Day entry that all customs cease at midday, giving as examples New Year, Ash Wednesday, April Fool, May Day and Royal Oak Day. They also point out that Carrying ash twigs on Ash Wednesday seems to have ceased in the 30s, and carrying oak apples on Royal Oak Day had almost disappeared in the 50s.MidlandLinda (talk) 15:11, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
Whoops, I meant to say 'I'm not sure that's appropriate' above. If it is re-added it should probably include the context of the research rather than being a flat assertion which might suggest it is current or recent information, and applies universally in those countries it mentioned.Number36 (talk) 21:16, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
How about something along the lines of "Historically, in the UK and those countries whose traditions derived from there, the joking ceased at midday. But this practice appears to have lapsed in more recent years." With the citation inserted at the end of the first sentence and the whole item put at the end of the Origins section.MidlandLinda (talk) 12:21, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
That's good, but maybe a more specific note attached to give it context/due weight, something along the lines 'A study in the 1950s by folklorists Iona and Peter Opie, found that in the UK and other countries whose..." etc. (Just as an example).Number36 (talk) 13:26, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
OK, let's go with that and see what happens.MidlandLinda (talk) 14:27, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
I've now got a copy of the Opie's book, and it seems that the section on April Fools' Day referenced refers only to British examples (there's one footnote that mentions a particular trick is from Aberdeen and Birmingham, and is also a familiar trick in New Zealand but it references another book called Western Folklore to support that), and makes no explicit claims about other countries or research involving other countries relating to this specific subject. It does assert that the rule is rigid and everywhere acknowledged, but it doesn't define precisely what the context of that is. The section itself however is within the chapter 'Children's Calendar', which states at the start it's regarding "living calendar celebrations in Britain'". So within that context I'd assume it meant everywhere in Britain unless otherwise stated.Number36 (talk) 05:06, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

List o jokes[edit]

What happened to all the jokes? 71.178.117.152 (talk) 02:19, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

  • What jokes? 71.178.133.16 (talk) 17:46, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
    • Unfortunately some deletion happy admins keep nuking the yearly lists of jokes. shogun (talk) 15:45, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Exception for 1 April[edit]

On 1 April and 1 April only, we should allow almost any kind of silly edit in this article. Before the end of 1 April, it should be restored to the serious version. However, no other article should be allowed to be messed with as an April Fools' joke. Auchansa (talk) 03:53, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

There are many things, so I hope you need to discuss before making such edits.
Shriram (talk) 04:00, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

You may undo my edit. In fact, I am bothered that it is still there because I generally act very responsibly. Auchansa (talk) 04:08, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

After a few minutes, not even 5, I undid my own edit. I have no sense of humor, just a sense of responsibility.  :( Auchansa (talk) 03:53, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
I am nt sure about undoing it, someother user will have a look. This may be useful for users like you! Wikipedia April Fools' Day 2012. Have a look. Shriram (talk) 13:35, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

In my defense, I find April Fool's Day childish and immature because several people are too old to be playing pranks on each other. (I know that for a fact.) Likely Ally (talk) 14:39, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

How can you know that for a fact, "too old to be playing pranks on each other" is a personal judgment. Even people who agree with you on the sentiment could differ wildly on their opinions as to how old is too old. I (and many others) would counter that you are never too old to have a little fun. Remember, growing older is required, growing up is optional. --Khajidha (talk) 18:59, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Insipid pranks EL[edit]

70.66.196.240 insists on adding this EL to the article. In my opinion, it does not belong per WP:ELNO: it is a link to a blog and does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a featured article. The pranks featured are about as insipid as it get. However, I'm up against WP:3RR.  --Lambiam 22:07, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

  • I'm up against WP:3RR too, if anyone else wants to keep an eye on it. Trivialist (talk) 23:08, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

This part about France and Italy should be moved into another section[edit]

This part should be moved to another section, perhaps concerning how people celebrate around the world. The paragraph after concerning Chaucer should be moved up.

"In France and Italy, children and adults traditionally tack paper fish on each other's back as a trick and shout "april fish!" in their local language ("poisson d'avril!" and "pesce d'aprile!" in French and Italian respectively)." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.253.35.105 (talk) 05:57, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia on April 1[edit]

Where is the current list for submissions for 'main page curiosities for the day'? Jackiespeel (talk) 18:04, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

I've never heard of this. 71.191.110.49 (talk) 15:05, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

"April Fool(s)!"[edit]

I find it odd that this article doesn't mention the part of the process where after the prank is enacted/discovered, the pranker shouts 'April Fool(s)!'. Is that not a common thing? Maybe it's not mentioned because it's only regional or something, but to me it seems like a pretty important part of the tradition.

Also, I'm very surprised there isn't a list of 'notable April Fools Pranks'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aryst0krat (talkcontribs) 04:20, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

shout added. Widefox; talk 10:34, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

New Photo[edit]

Is there a way we can try to get a new photo?

That photo is from 2001 on the main Article page. There has to be some kind of prank just like it newer. Deunick (talk) 04:59, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

I don't see how a more recent photo would illustrate the concept any more clearly. --McGeddon (talk) 13:25, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Which countries?[edit]

The first sentence says "April Fools' Day is celebrated in many countries on April 1 every year". It should be clarified which countries celebrate it. Since the article is locked now I can't add the "which?" template to that sentence. The Spanish version of the article contains a list of some (all?) countries that celebrate it. Btw, Spain doesn't celebrate it on April 1st, but Dec 28th. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_the_Innocents#Feast_days. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.108.163.221 (talk) 14:17, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Widefox; talk 17:06, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

In Mexico we don't celebrate April Fools' day either -- we celebrate DIA DE LOS INOCENTES on Dec 28 (like other hispanic countries) as stated per the previous post. However, there's a mistake in the phrases included in the Wikipedia article: where in Mexico do people say "INNOCENT FOREVER"???? NOWHERE! That is NOT true! The phrase we use in Mexico is the one stated before that one: INOCENTE PALOMITA QUE TE DEJASTE ENGAÑAR, and most of the time followed by "SABIENDO QUE EN ESTE DIA, EN NADIE PUEDES CONFIAR" (knowing that this day nobody can be trusted). I hope someone notices and corrects that mistake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.110.218.167 (talk) 21:55, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

What is the connection to the holiday and Spain's 8th century massacred of the Moors on that day in 1491? Dionne Sincire

Galicia[edit]

In Galicia is called: Día dos enganos, I think it should be added. 88.24.236.109 (talk) 21:56, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Copyvio[edit]

The section "Notable pranks" (see article history), was a copyright violation, having been cut and pasted in its entirety from a blocked eHow link to an article, "What is the origin of April Fools' Jokes," section "Constantine Theory," written by Laura Jean Holton. Per Wikipedia's strict WP:COPYVIO guidelines, I have removed the content. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:02, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

It looks like this has now been rewritten in the editor's own words, but unless we're presenting this as part of the festival's folklore, I'd say this belonged in the List of April Fool's Day jokes article. --McGeddon (talk) 20:17, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Rumour or fact?[edit]

"In the Roman Julian Calendar, April used to be the first month of the year; but the Gregorian Calendar observed January as the first month. Even after shifting to the Gregorian Calendar, many people refused to give up old traditions and continued celebrating 1st April as the New Year's Day. When simple orders didn't work, the King finally issued a royal dictum; which stated that those who celebrated 1st April as the new year's day would be labelled as fools. From then on, 1st April became April Fool's Day." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.162.137.73 (talk) 01:35, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

This seems doubtful, as the Julian and Gregorian calendars seem to share the same month names and order (January first). clpo13(talk) 06:00, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
Also doubtful because the new year didn't start on 1st April but on Lady Day, 25th March. MidlandLinda (talk) 14:03, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

April Fools' Day Pranks[edit]

This section only has 1 example in it, add more examples or remove it all together. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.244.137.239 (talk) 03:13, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

April Fools joke by Wikipedia!![edit]

April Fools jokes are played at every level from friends and family, to national news and government. What if we as WP editors played a prank on readers? I've been thinking a lot about it and one thing I've come up with is this: to replace this article for a day with a dummy article that says that April Fools Day has been cancelled globally and will no longer be practiced by any country.

Of course there are heavier pranks to play (e.g. announce on every WP page that WP is closing forever due to lack of budget), but I think the above idea is just docile enough to stand a chance at happening. If you really want to minimize impact, the internal/external links could all go to an "April Fools!!" page with a link to the real article under a tentative title.

Don't be sticks in the mud!! Prove you have a soul! :-) Squish7 (talk) 20:56, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

@Squish7: As per this discussion, pulling pranks on the article namespace isn't allowed. But you can still prank other parts of Wikipedia ;) -Newyorkadam (talk) 22:08, 31 March 2014 (UTC)Newyorkadam
It may not be strictly relevant to the discussion here, but I just semiprotected this page for a few days because the IP vandalism to it isn't witty enough for Wikipedia's exacting standards. Bishonen | talk 22:18, 31 March 2014 (UTC).
@Newyorkadam: I don't mean a personal prank. I mean if we got a petition together with enough editors so everybody on the inside knows about it. Are you saying there's a blanket ban against WP editors playing pranks on the readers? Could this not be easily appealed? Thanks for your input! Squish7 (talk) 21:18, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
@Squish7: The belief is that we shouldn't ever prank the article namespace because "we're an encyclopedia for readers ... and they're not in on the joke. It's one thing changing our main page to be misleading, it's quite another to edit the articles" -Newyorkadam (talk) 22:08, 6 April 2014 (UTC)Newyorkadam

TAFI[edit]

Hello @Buster7, Northamerica1000, NickPenguin, CaroleHenson:, @Kvng, Whiteghost.ink, ChrisGualtieri, Ypnypn:, @Moswento, Kvng, Coin945, Hmlarson:, @WaitingForConnection, Evad37, Sumanah, Buffbills7701:, @Newyorkadam, Simplysavvy, Tomásdearg92, Wikiuser13:, @Cloudz679: and others:

Please remember to edit this week's TAFI - April Fool's Day. Even if it's just one line. Or a reference. Or a copyedit. Every little bit helps.--Coin945 (talk) 18:38, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 April 2014[edit]

Apostrophe in "executed April Fools Day hoaxes". Alien Putsch resistant (talk) 05:52, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

OK. Bishonen | talk 06:10, 1 April 2014 (UTC).

Deletion[edit]

Was trying to get this page deleted as a non-notable holiday until I realised I was thinking of my trip to Corfu.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 13:12, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Merge discussion[edit]

I am proposing that we merge List of April Fool's Day jokes into this article. I can see no specific reason to justify splitting this content out per WP:LENGTH or anything of that nature, and that content can be easily contained within this article. --NickPenguin(contribs) 14:48, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

It looks like the list article used to be a full four pages, and was cut down in March 2012 when an editor decided - after suggesting it on the talk page and getting no feedback beyond one weak comment of opposition - that the inclusion criterion should be "must have own Wikipedia article". Given that the list article has some glaring omissions (no American television, and only three internet jokes, two from the 1980s), I'd say it was better to leave it where it was and work on expanding it with a criterion of "multiple secondary sources covering the joke" rather than "must have own article". --McGeddon (talk) 15:03, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose Not the first time that this has been discussed, usually around this time of year. There's no problem with having both articles. JOJ Hutton 20:23, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
I understand the points raised by McGeddon, they perhaps warrant some discussion, but is your primary reason for not merging because its been discussed in the past and was not merged? I'm not sure I agree with that particular line of reasoning. Also, I went through the last 7 years and found only one instance of the word "merge" in an edit summary, and that was in a proposal to merge it into April 1st. ALso no references to it in this archives of this talk page. --NickPenguin(contribs) 01:13, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Both articles are relatively well-developed, and merging both will make the April Fools' Day article too long to read comfortably, in my opinion. NorthAmerica1000 02:36, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose I agree with NorthAmerica that the two articles are both well developed as is. Moreover, I think that they are better separated because a "List" article should be in a different form from a general article and currently they are in their separately appropriate forms. What is important in having the two articles is that the reader can: (a) easily see that the other one exists, and (b) that one does not repeat the other. These requirements also currently seem to be the case. That is, the "List" article links in its lead to the general article, and the general article links to the List article in its "See also" section. Also, the current lead in the "List" article is succinct. Whiteghost.ink (talk) 04:52, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Iran[edit]

The section about Iran is simply not true, as it is stated in the Persian/Farsi version of this same article. April Fools' Day in Iran has its origins in 1943 and an issue of "Nabard newspaper" published on April 3, 1943 which itself was based on the newspaper editor's familiarity with French culture. The sources for the Iran section are not credible (blog posts?!). Remove that section please ! 131.179.210.34 (talk) 01:28, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Baby[edit]

The section about the baby falling off the bed is misleading and I removed it. Here is the original story http://web.archive.org/web/20130210140903/http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2008/04/01/2767_local-news.html and it's clear that it may not have had anything to do with April Fools. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:56, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

New Year's Day/Gregorian calendar[edit]

The shift of New Year's Day from March 25 to January 1 is different thing the Julian-to-Gregorian calendar issue. De Dene wrote a clear reference to April Fool's dated 1539, so holiday predates either of these explanations. The great huha (talk) 09:31, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Removal of wrapped car on pallets[edit]

I removed this image because it doesnt seem to be on the same scale as the rest of the notable pranks, and doesnt really add much to the article. Also, the source says "April Fools Day Joke?", meaning it's not even certain that it is one. More pictures of historic notable april fools pranks would be well recieved though, I'm sure. Benboy00 (talk) 03:59, 10 August 2014 (UTC)