Talk:Aquatic ape hypothesis

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Let's have a little fun with the denier. Please explain again just how the below version is POV-pushing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by CEngelbrecht (talkcontribs) 19:43, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

References

signing (with falsified date to match original end of discussion) for archiver. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 06:06, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

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Suggestion - new subsection - anthropological consensus on human evolution[edit]

I'm still trying to do something about this hopeless, negatively biased article. I propose to lead the section about the actual hypothesis/ses by summarizing the contemporary consensus on human evolution, as expressed by the scientific field of anthropology. This is to illustrate the background for Elaine Morgan's AAH, since she based her work on what she perceived as shortcomings to parts of that consensus, straw man arguments and whatnot. Whether we then further detail her challenging of this consensus in the following sections is for a different discussion. If you skeptics really desire an optimal, non-POV article detailing what the hell all this boohah is about, let's start with this, since it should contain the fewest controversies (unless creationists are also hanging out in here, which is not bloody unlikely the way things have been going).

signing (with falsified date to match the original conclusion of this discussion) for archiver. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 06:05, 3 November 2013‎ (UTC)

Westenhöfer's alleged National Socialist influence[edit]

It says in the section on Westenhöfer's original draft of the AAH that he was "influenced by German National Socialism". No support for this statement is offered. Moreover, the article on Westenhöfer himself says little about his political views, but as he is stated to have influenced S. Allende, and was very concerned with the social conditions in Chile, he does not appear to have been too far right-wing. I don't know about the Anglo-Saxon discourse, but in Germany, linking somebody or something with National Socialism is a cheap, stupid, but fully effective way of discrediting him or it. Thus, mentioning the alleged influence in the beginning of the article is apt to prejudice the reader against the hypothesis from the start. This is even more deplorable if the claim should be wrong. I therefore suggest to either substantiate or remove this phrase. Konrad Lehmann (talk) 09:37, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Certainly, if it isn't sourced, it needs to be - or removed. AndyTheGrump (talk) 09:44, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Looking into this further, I'd have to suggest that we need a source for the assertion that he "can be said to have worded an early version of AAH..." too. His hypothesis was certainly aquatic - but apparently non-ape. He seems to have argued that we weren't descended from apes at all, if what I can glean from a quick Google search is correct. AndyTheGrump (talk) 09:57, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

New support[edit]

Here is a popular article with new support for the aquatic ape hypothesis from genetics and paleoanthropology.

http://boingboing.net/2009/12/16/how-shellfish-saved.html

http://boingboing.net/2009/12/16/how-shellfish-saved.html

Elemming (talk) 15:35, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

New version - again![edit]

Wow. Someone has really made a butchery of Wikipedia standards. At least a quarter of this article should be edited out to remove the obvious biases against this theory and get a NPOV. Elemming (talk) 15:42, 16 December 2014 (UTC)