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- 1 Untitled
- 2 And France ?
- 3 Brazil does not have 15 million Arabs
- 4 american bias
- 5 The entire 'Challenges' section
- 6 Wikification Project
- 7 the first section
- 8 This article is really messed up
- 9 Israel should be removed from the list, as well as Iran
- 10 Diaspora?
- 11 Problems with notable Arabs
- 12 Limited article
- 13 Objections on Arab descent of infobox personalities
I'm surprised the mass and wholly significant Yemenite (mostly Hadrami) emigration to various parts of Malaysia, Indonesia and Singapore isn't mentioned in this article...it brought a very distinct Arab facet into these already very rich cultures. -Mokha188.8.131.52 23:49, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
And France ?
No mention of France!!! It's a surprise! France is the second non-Arab country in the world, after Brazil, to have the largest arab community! There are 6.000.000 arabs in France that means 10 % of french population is arab or is from arab origin (mostly algerians like Zinedine Zidane), this is explained by the fact that Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia are former french colonies! It's important to mention France.184.108.40.206 (talk) 16:37, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Brazil does not have 15 million Arabs
Brazil is NOT 7% Arab, it is 0.7% Arab
Proof: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Brazil —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 20:19, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
180000 arabs Immigrated to Brazil in the 20th century. Lebanese made up 50% of the arab immigrants in the 20th century. According to the Lebanese/Brazilian articles there are 10-15 million people of Lebanese descent in Brazil. Logic would have it that the total number of arabs in Brazil is around 25-30 million. Making it +-15% Arab. Making Brazil the most Arab country outside Arabia. Keep in mind that this do not take into account Illegal immigration, which would probably increase the number of Arabs to about 40 Million. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 17:12, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
its probably because the article was written by an arab american of some sort thats why all of the material is about the americas. per centage wise there is a much more huge population of arabs in europe, yet theres almost no mention of it.
The entire 'Challenges' section
I have a very large problem with sentences like:
First: Suspicion of Arabs and Muslims has reached almost a paranoid proportion. Racism towards Arabs has reached new heights.
At the very least I would expect several citations of such instances linked to (I doubt it would be hard to find them) and a statistical analysis that it had indeed reached 'new heights'. It needs a geographical restriction (I presume there is none of this suspicion in, for example, Saudi Arabia). The nature and perpetrators of the suspicion also needs to be elaborated on and supported by evidence.
I suspect whosoever edited the section had genuine intentions but this is an encyclopedia and it needs to be backed up. Can someone add a tag? I am not sure which one it should have but it is obvious that this section is not up to standard.
The 'Second', 'Third' and 'Fourth' points are just drivel.
- Since nothing has been added in way of citations in 3 years I have removed it. Rich Farmbrough, 03:31, 20 December 2010 (UTC).
the first section
the first section of this article must be divided to branches with the head of the group name or nationality coz its doesnt look organized at all, i think its better if will be like the Arabic page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abdullah Alkendy (talk • contribs) 22:25, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
This article is really messed up
First of all Chaldeans are not Arabs. and that brings me to my second point: Not all residents of arab countries are ethnically arabs, most Iraqi refugees in europe are not arabs, most moroccans and algerians in europe are not arabs, most lebanese who live abroad do not identify themselves as arabs. and since when were arabs in israel part of the arab diaspora?Rafy talk 01:33, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
- This is correct, this subject messes up a lots of things. For instance even Jewish refugees, who fled Arab countries for Israel were somehow related here as Arab diaspora. I think Arab diaspora should clearly embark Arab ethnic communities outside Middle East, not Chaldeans, Assyrians, Lebanese Maronites, Berbers etc.Greyshark09 (talk) 19:16, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
Israel should be removed from the list, as well as Iran
Arabs might be a minority in both these countries, but they are not in diaspora, just like the Hispanics in California are not in diaspora even though they speak Spanish. TFighterPilot (talk) 14:07, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
From Wiki's very own article on the term "Diaspora": "Originally the word referred exclusively to the Jewish diaspora after the Babylonian exile, but recently the word has also come to refer to other historical mass-dispersions of people with common roots, often particularly movements of an involuntary nature, such as the forced removal of Turkish Armenians and the African Trans-Atlantic slave trade, or the century long exile of the Messenians under Spartan rule."
1.5 Million Arabs Emigrating to the US to seek a better life simply doesn't not qualify as any sort of "Diaspora". If so, why not speak of the English, French or Spanish "Diaspora" in the Americas? 22.214.171.124 (talk) 15:33, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
- True. But in the case of Palestinians for example the term Diaspora does make sense imho. Any ideas for a better title?--Rafy talk 10:09, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
Problems with notable Arabs
That section needs either removal or major clean up for the following reasons:
- Many are obviously not ethnically Arabs like [[Zinedine Zidane[[ who is Amazigh.
- Having a Lebanese origin (for example) doesn't automatically qualify a person as an Arab. See Lebanese Identity, Egyptian identity, etc...--Rafy talk 10:02, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
I find this article actually very limited in its scope. An Arab diaspora needs far wider coverage than this very poor article. It should have a historical section (18th-19th early 20th century), modern Arab diaspora formation from sixties onwards (mostly economic, but also very much political considerations), a statistics section of Arab Diaspora per country (how many in USA, in Canada, in France, in Gabon, in Hong Kong etc, with adequate references, a clear presentation of non-Arab ethnicities who have immigrated from the Arab World (Kurds, Armenians, Assyrians and Syriacs, Berbers). Since these ethnicities are Lebanese, Syrians, Iraqis, Egyptian, Algerian, Moroccan, carry Arab citizenships and are mostly Arabophone as well despite being of non-Arab ethnicities, they are technically a part of the Arab Diaspora (whether they accept it or not). It's not that you are an Arab citizen in your country with full rights, and the moment you set foot in Europe or USA, you are suddenly a non-Arab and detached from the notion of Arab Diaspora. Many go back to visit their families and homes in the Arab World with frequency. Almost all Kurds, Armenians, Assyrians and Syriacs, Berbers keep their earlier Arab citizenships and they do this by choice and remain part of the Arab Diaspora umbrella. I know this from Canada and I am sure this is the case in other countries as well (USA, France, England). They carry to this day Arab passports and are for all intents and purposes Arab citizens actually. But yes, they should be distinct, and should be categorized and their ethnicities noted within the Arab Diaspora article, without excluding them for good, which would be a gross oversight. There should also be at least a section for internal Arab diasporas, when Syrians and Lebanese immigrate to Saudi Arabia or UAE etc. There should also be a distinction between permenant Arab Diasporas in Europe and the States and Latin America and temporary Arab Diasporas say to African states. There are temporary Diasporas of Arab students studying by tens of thousands sent by their governments, the idea of الطالب المبتعث in USA, Canad, Britain etc. These also, are becoming bigger and bigger in number, and need a mention as temporary Arab Diaspora. This article has not done any justice to the importance of the subject unfortunately. werldwayd (talk) 20:05, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
Objections on Arab descent of infobox personalities
Some colleagues have expressed misgivings about some of the personalities reflected in the infobox and are requesting deleting the photos in infobox until substantiation is provided for each and every person there. Kindly discuss whether individuals there are considered of Arab origin. Personalities are:
- Shakira - Colombian singer of Lebanese descent
- Carlos Slim - Mexican businessman of Lebanese descent
- Salma Hayek - Mexican of Lebanese descent
- Edward Said - American thinker of Palestinian descent
- Mohamed Al-Fayed - British businessman of Egyptian descent
- Antonio Saca - Salvadorian President of Palestinian descent
- Ralph Nader - American of Lebanese descent
- Naseem Hamed - British boxer of Yemeni descent
- Mari Alkatiri - East Timorian Vice president of Yemeni descent
Do these individuals of Arab descent. Do they identify themselves of Arabic descent? Are there better representations of Arab Diaspora personalities? Please discuss werldwayd (talk) 10:17, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
- Agreed with werldwayd, this page needs to be thoroughly checked. Just because someone's grandparent was from the arab origin, doesn't means that it makes the person a arab, especially when they are much more of "mexican", "columbian", in common. Otherwise everyone is a Indian or African first. Bladesmulti (talk) 13:15, 31 December 2013 (UTC)