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Largest[edit]

is the arabian sea the largest in the world? hoorah —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.175.134.16 (talkcontribs) 16:05, 8 February 2005

Persian Sea[edit]

every gulf has been named after its sea, persian gulf was named after persian sea or pars sea , the correct name is PERSIAN SEA , as persians call it daryayeh Pars wiki is wrong some one fix this missleading information —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.87.73.251 (talkcontribs) 21:57, 15 July 2007

"Part coastal Persia"?[edit]

I've changed the above phrase to Iran. The link to Persia didn't seem to be consistent with using modern or present-day names of present-day geographic locations. 4.243.206.153 07:31, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Queen of the Arabian City reference to Kochi in India

This is ridiculous! the source cited by the author of this reference is an Indian newspaper. Just because one country where the Arabian sea reaches (India) feel that one of their ports is teh "Queen" doesn't make it so. Kochi as the Queen of Arabian sea is vitually unheard of in any of the other countries where the Arabian sea reaches. This reference must be removed....I tried to but the page seems inaccessible due to some maintenance being performed or something...someone please do this virtuous deed and remove this ridiculous reference —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.98.143.43 (talkcontribs) 21:08, 7 April 2007

Arabic name[edit]

Currently Bahr al-'Arab and Bahr al-'arab redirect here, and the first sentence says that this is the Arabic name for the Arabian Sea. But there is also a river in Sudan named Bahr al-Arab which sources say is also spelled "Bahr al-'Arab". For example, see: Bahr al-'Arab and Bahr al-Ghazal at Encyclopædia Britannica Online, As Sudd and Baḩr al Ghazāl at MSN Encarta.

From what little I know of Arabic, "Bahr" (or "Baḩr" more properly) can mean river, lake, or sea. So I wonder if something should be done about this. I realize the Arabian Sea is far more notable than a minor stream in Sudan. On the other hand the stream drains the Darfur region, so it may be of interest these days. Perhaps one of those "for the river in Sudan see..." blurbs? Pfly (talk) 07:13, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

This is a fine mess. There is going to have to be some disambiguating hing a dinga shimga done. And the article about the river is unsourced. I would tell you to go ahead and add the dab templates, but I'm thinking that Bahr al-Arab should be moved to Bahr al-'Arab or Bahr al-'arab (or even Baḩr al-A/arab). The first two options would require deleting the existing redirects, and you can't do that unless you are an admin (I can do it). I do want to be able to point to reliable sources for the form of the name. Any thoughts? -- Donald Albury 11:53, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Heh.. I was planning to add a little to the river article and give a few references.. when I manage to get around to it. I was thinking of maybe adding one of those "for the river..." templates to the top of the Arabian Sea page. I forgot how, but I think I've done it before and it wasn't hard. As for redirects, I thought you could edit the link redirected to without being an admin. And I think you can move pages without being an admin, at least after something like five days of using an account. But not knowing much (anything) about Arabic, it's hard for me to have much of an idea about your naming comments. The NGA geonames source I mentioned seemed to use the same names and spellings (including variants!) for both the sea and the river, if I recall right. Maybe I'll ask for the Arabic on the language ref desk. Maybe transcription of Arabic into the Latin alphabet is too messy for a simple answer. In any case, I could add one of the little disamig blurb templates to this page, but am probably not up for the work of making a full-blown disambig page and fixing all the relevant links etc. Disambig work can be so tedious.. Anyway, I was pleased to see your reply this morning -- somehow I thought this was too esoteric a topic. I have no time today, but wanted to reply before heading out. Later. Pfly (talk) 17:05, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
If you want to move an article to a name that is currently occupied by a redirect, you have to delete the redirect first. Maybe the easiest thing is to convert the redirects at Bahr al-'Arab and Bahr al-'arab to dabs, i.e.,
Bahr al-'Arab can refer to:
  • [[Bahr al-Arab]], a river in Darfur
  • the [[Arabian Sea]]
-- Donald Albury 21:12, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Ah I read too quickly and misunderstood. Or maybe I assumed one could cut and paste between an article and a redirect, though I guess that make link fixing a pain. In any case, your redirect->dabs idea makes sense. For now I just added a "hatnote" to the two articles. It might be non-ideal, but it was quick and I have to go to bed... Pfly (talk) 08:24, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Moving articles by cut and paste is a bad idea, as it loses the edit history, which the GFDL requires be preserved. The 'hatnotes' sound fine. Now that I think about it, a disambig page would be overkill. -- Donald Albury 15:01, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Parsyan sea[edit]

due to the fact that Indian, Iranian and Pakistani population who live in the coastal areas of this sea is more than its arab population , the name of the sea must change back to PARSYAN SEA or INDIAN sea like it was before. even Indians ,Iranians ,Pakistanis ,Indonisians and Baluchis consist of 53% of those new arab state population . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.166.197.66 (talk) 22:59, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

As an Iranian Persian, I feel sorry for you. Historically, Arabian sea is tied to the Arab culture which moved slaves, spices and other things along the routes in this sea (Specially Yemenis were active in the trades.) As the language of the traders there was mostly Arabic (As Iranian's mostly traded by land), the Sea must be in fact called "The Arabian Sea". This has nothing to do with the legitimacy of the name for Persian Gulf though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.233.169.184 (talk) 12:06, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

What it should be called is irrelevant. This article must reflect what it is called. Bazonka (talk) 12:33, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Actual size[edit]

According to many sources its size is 1,498,320 sq km instead. Which is correct? 116.49.135.38 (talk) 15:39, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Bin Laden[edit]

Should it be included that this is the final resting place for Osama bin Laden?  Adwiii  Talk  21:41, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

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Adding Indian ports in the list of Major Ports[edit]

Hi Everyone , Can we add the following Indian deep water ports under the major ports section

The above information is sourced from annual numbers from Shipping ministry of India - 2011 as well as American Association of Port Authorities ranking of ports - 2009

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.[1] [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maahmaah (talkcontribs) 09:56, 3 April 2012 (UTC) that is a very good useful map and had been published in Iranian public website and web loges and have no copy right. in Iran copy right is not applicable to the none private picture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Basp1 (talkcontribs) 07:26, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

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Alternative names[edit]

The Arabian Sea historically and geographically had many other different names by Muslim travelers and European geographers such as: Akhzar Sea, Persian Sea,[1], Chah Bahar,[2] Makran Sea,[3] Sindhu Sagar,[4] Erythraean Sea,[5] Dera Macran,[6] and Sindh Sea.[7] The name of the sea is disputed amongst some historians in Iran and Pakistan.[8] They collectively argue and believe that the name Arabian Sea was first used on maps due to colonialism in the past 400 years.[9]

Among historians, travellers and geographers of the Islamic era, many of them writing in Arabic or persian from the 9th to the 17th century, Ibn Khordadbeh,[10] Ibn al-Faqih,[11] Ibn Rustah,[12] Sohrab,[13] Ramhormozi,[14] Abu Ishaq Ibrahim ibn Muhammad al-Farisi al Istakhri,[15] Abu al-Hasan Ali ibn al-Husayn ibn Ali al-Mas'udi,[16] Al-Mutahhar ibn Tahir al-Maqdisi (d. 966),[17] Ibn Hawqal,[18] Al-Muqaddasi,[19] Ibn Khaldun, Mohammad ibn Najub Bekiran,[20] Abu Rayhan Biruni,[21] Muhammad al-Idrisi,[22] Yaqut al-Hamawi,[23] Zakariya al-Qazwini,[24] Abu'l-Fida,[25] Al-Dimashqi,[26] Hamdollah Mostowfi,[27] Al-Nuwayri,[26] Ibn Batutta,[28] Katip Çelebi and other sources have used the terms, "Bahr-i Mohit", "Bahr-i Mohit i Ajam", "Bahr-al-'Ajami", "Bahr-i-Fars", "Dera-i-Fars"(Persian), and "Bahr-i Mokran/Mecran", "Bahr-i Al Akhzar" (green) to refer to the current Arabian sea. ("Bahr-in Arabic means Sea" and Mohit means ocean) none of them referred to as Arabian sea.[29]

  1. ^ [3],(par34-35)
  2. ^ [4]
  3. ^ [5]
  4. ^ Geographica Indica - The Arabian Sea
  5. ^ [6]
  6. ^ 1794, Orbis Veteribus Notus by Jean Baptiste Bourguignon d'Anville
  7. ^ National Atlas of India Abridged Edition Edited by Dr. P.Nag. Lakshadweep sea(Arabian sea). National atlas and thematic mapping organization department of science & technology government of India 2002]
  8. ^ [7]
  9. ^ [8]
  10. ^ "Al-Massalek wa al-Mamalek", Leiden edition, 1889. p. 233
  11. ^ The abrdiged "Al-Buldan", Leiden, 1885, p. 8
  12. ^ Ibn Rustah, Kitāb al-A'lāk an-Nafīsa, ed. M. J. De Goeje, Bibliotheca Geographorum Arabicorum [BGA], Leiden, E. J. Brill, 1891/1892. p. 81
  13. ^ Ajayeb al-Aqalim al-Saba ila Nehayate al-Mara, (Vienne: 1929), p. 59. 9th century AD.
  14. ^ Nakhoda Bozorg ibn Shahriyar Ramhormozi was another Persian geographer of the classical Islamic era, "Ajayeb al-Hind", ed: M. Davis, Leiden 1886, p. 41
  15. ^ "Massalek al-Mamalek", ed.: De M.J. Goeje, Leiden 1927, p. 28
  16. ^ "Muruj adh-dhahab wa ma'adin al-jawhar (The Meadows of Gold and Mines of Gems)", English Translation by Aloys Sprenger, Vol I, (London: 1841), p. 259
  17. ^ al-Bad’ wa-l Tarikh, (Paris: 1907) Tom IV, p. 58.
  18. ^ "The Oriental Geography of Ebn Hawkal", Translated by Sir Williams Ouseley (London: 1800) p. 62; "Surat al-Arḍ"(Leiden 1938), Vol I, p. 42.
  19. ^ Ahsan al-Taqasim fi Ma’rifat al-Aqalim. Ed: De A.J. Goeje, (Leiden 1906), p. 17.
  20. ^ "Jahan Nama", Vol I. p. 44. .
  21. ^ "Al-Tafhim le-awa’el Sena al-Tanjim" ed.: Jalal al-Din Homai (Tehran: 1318 Hijri Sola Calendar), p. 167. Also in "Qanun Masudi"(Heydarabad, 1955), Vol. II. p. 558.
  22. ^ "Geographic d’Edirisi" traduite de l’Arabe en Francais par P. Amedee Jaulert (Recueil des voyages et des memoires publiees par la Societe de Geographie), (Paris: 1840), Vols. VI and VI. "Nuzhat al-Mushtaq fi Ikhtraq al-Afar", (Rome : 1878). p. 9
  23. ^ "mu’jam al-Buldan",(Cairo: 1906), Vol. 2, p. 68.
  24. ^ "Athar al-Bilad" (Gutingen: 1848), p. 104.
  25. ^ "Taqwim al-Buldan", Geographie d’Aboulfeda traduite de l’Arab par M. Reinaud, 2 Vols. (Paris: 1848), Vol 1, p. 23.
  26. ^ a b Quoted also in Mohammad Javad Mashkoor in an article titled "Nam-i Khalij Fars" in the proceeding of the "Seminar on Khalij-e-Fars" (Tehran: 1964). p. 46.
  27. ^ "Nuzhat al-Qolub", ed: Mohammad Dabir Sayaqi, (Tehran: 1336 Hijri Solar Year), p. 164.
  28. ^ "The Travels of Ibn Babutta", translated from the abrdiged Arabic MMS of Cambridge by the Rev. Samuel Lee(Cambridgde: 1824), p. 56
  29. ^ [9]