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I know it was only a stub to open the page, but we must be careful not to label everything 'arabic' as 'Islamic'. I am no expert on Islamic mythology, but suppose that for instance Alladin and Arabian Nights are 'Arabic' instead of 'Islamic'--TK


Excellent point! I agree 100 percent. I hope that those who know more will improve the page -- it sure does need improvement! -- Cayzle

I've moved this page from Islamic Mythology to Arabic mythology, not because I consider them the same but because they are clearly different. Most of the stuff here is Arabic rather than Islamic. I would recommend that we create a separate Islamic mythology article as soon as we have enough material to go in it. DJ Clayworth 21:28, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I think that this is a very poor stub, and someone needs to report some actual studies and published works. My main concern is that what is being labeled Arabian Mythology is not necessarily Arabian. Many of the stories in the Thousand Nights and A Night are not Arabian at all, and the title was changed to 1000 Arabian Nights long after it was written. Persians and other people are responsible for much of this mythology. Michael Hancock (talk) 18:45, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Geography[edit]

Maybe this would be better titled Middle Eastern Mythology. That would incorporate both Islamic and Arabic aspects because people from both of those traditions are from the Middle East. I realize that Middle East is a broad geographic area but couldn't the article be separated into different sections? hdstubbs

Such a page would include a few dozen old mythologies from the Phrygians of Turkey to Persia to Mesopotamia to the Levant to Egypt... Castanea dentata 19:49, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

"Arabic" refers to the language. "Arabian" is the convention when speaking of the people and their archaic beliefs. I moved the page. Castanea dentata 19:49, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

ah this page is no where near complete is there a problem? ``

i hink the propoer term is neither arabic nor arabian, it is arab, arabian refers to the arabian peninsula full stop, while arab refers to pre and post islamic era, which include several mythologies in the arab culture, such as Joha (Goha, Juha, Djoha), and El-Shatir Hasan (Hasan the Good), Princess Yasmeen, and other folk tales and mythologies, such as Omena El Ghoula (our Beastly Mother), Abu Rjl Masloukha (the man of the burned Leg) etc...

the page should be redirected to the Arab Mythology, rather then Arabian. Arab League User (talk) 11:19, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

"The Kaaba was instead covered in symbols representing the myriad demons, djinn, demigods and other assorted creatures which represented the profoundly polytheistic environment of pre-Islamic Arabia." Pre-Islam, people mostly worshiped god, in addition angels, demigods and jin (in a way different than demons) believing that they will help as a connection between them and god. In addition statues around kaaba where destroyed after Muslims won the fight and Mecca became the capital. Arabian Nights is a wrong name, its original name is One Thousand and One Nights as you can see if you click on the link of Arabian nights, the book is known in the western world as Arabian Nights. The stories are believed to be gathered from different countries and believes so saying it was "Arabian" mythology is totally wrong, Islam was against a lot of pre-Islam believes and consider them wrong (of the middle east area where it started, justice and other believes related to it where encouraged, so saying Islam was influenced by those stories and pre-Islam mythology cant be true as a lot of Muslims (and I mean Muslims of the time the book was first printed) were against a publishing it in Arabic as even though the meaning of the stories might ment nothing more than an advice, it was presented in a way not accepted in Islam, such stories contradicted the believes of Islam or had some parts containing nudity. by that "Islamic mythology has probably been influenced to a large degree by Arabian mythology and the two are often difficult to distinguish." is totally wrong.

"The Hand of Fatima is sometimes used to neutralize the effect of Evil Eye, though its use is forbidden in Islam" as a Muslim myself, i never heard of such thing as hand of Fatima, there are several tries to 'change' in Quran and Islam's believes, and there are several, how can i describe it, "Cults" that claims they belong to Islam, so please be sure of what you write as "Islam" hope i made a good addition/correction Lucifer-sama 12:12, 18 May 2007 (UTC) i think so...


pre-Islam?[edit]

Implicit in this page, others that refer to it, and a few other Wikipedia pages is the idea that "pre-Islam" equates to "before the prophet Muhammed" or before "the rise of Islam" (whatever that means). Most Muslims will agree that Islam is an ancient religion of which Muhammed was the last (and greatest) of prophets; in other words, Islam did not begin with the prophet Muhammed. This is important, because if care is not taken, this sloppiness of thinking leads to the great mistake amongst non-Muslims of calling Muhammed the "founder" of Islam (which can cause great offence). --The Lesser Merlin 14:17, 26 July 2007 (UTC) by ray dulnuan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.106.112.26 (talk) 07:54, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

...Muhammad is the founder of Islam. And Islam is as ancient as Muhammad is, no more and no less. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.222.205.242 (talk) 09:25, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Rewriting[edit]

i think i finished rewriting around 70% of this article and around 20%~30% of Arabian mythology. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DesertDagger (talkcontribs) 04:41, 3 July 2009 (UTC)


Rewriting - 02[edit]

Ok i finished rewriting 100% of this artical and around 30%~35% of Arabian mythology, now my problem with ~70% Arab myth is that i cant link Arabic books as sources here and there is no english books talking about it, knowing that i didn't even finish writing about the City-State of Makka i still have to write about the early Arab Kingdoms like Kindah , Ghassanids , Lakhmids , Nabataeans , Banu Judham , Himyarite and the rest of the Arabs City-States and Kingdoms.DesertDagger (talk) 09:36, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Two things[edit]

  • Two things: like Hubal, Allah was worshipped as the father god in Arabian polytheism before Islam. Someone else will have to look for sources for this claim, mine are in languages other than English. Also, there was not one coherent system, but rather a lot of regional variation.
  • Pre-Islamic and Islamic Arabian mythologies should be distinguished. Jinns were probably known before Muhammad, but they remained part of mediaeval Islamic folklore and indeed most stories about them are from Islamic times; not so Allat, Manat etc, who disappear completely after Muhammad. The latter belong to Arabian pagan religion, and I find it POV that Islam is called a religion, but pre-Islamic Arabian belief systems are only regarded as a "mythology". --91.148.159.4 (talk) 15:48, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
Allah added. This was a verious serious omission. Badagnani (talk) 00:18, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
I removed your addition Allah was not a pre-Islamic god. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DesertDagger (talkcontribs) 21:59, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
Is that your opinion? On the contrary, the sources do indeed indicate that the name "Allah" was used in the pre-Islamic religion in Arabia. Badagnani (talk) 05:45, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Seriously flawed (gramatically) text[edit]

This sentence fragment makes no sense due to chaotic grammar (emphasis added):

  • "... one of the three chief goddesses of Mecca, Arabs only call upon her or Hubal for protection and victory before any war and that to show how important she was.[5]"

The following text is not written in modern English grammar but sounds like it was copied verbatim from some older religious or narrative texts, possibly creating a copyvio problem (emphasis added):

  • "All the Arabs used to venerate her and sacrifice before her. The Aws and the Khazraj, as well as the inhabitants of Medina and Mecca and their vicinities, used to venerate Manāt, sacrifice before her, and bring unto her their offerings... The Aws and the Khazraj, as well as those Arabs among the people of Yathrib and other places who took to their way of life, were wont to go on pilgrimage and observe the vigil at all the appointed places, but not shave their heads. At the end of the pilgrimage, however, when they were about to return home, they would set out to the place where Manāt stood, shave their heads, and stay there a while. They did not consider their pilgrimage completed until they visited Manāt.[6]"

I know very little about this subject matter but the writing style of this article needs serious cleanup to become encyclopedic. 66.97.213.94 (talk) 04:19, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Rewriting/More writing Needed[edit]

I felt the need to rewrite the part about Hubal but after reading it in the context of the whole thing, I think much of this article needs to be rewritten or added to to make a consistent article. So I may do some writing here and just wanted to make it known, this page doesn't seem very active and I think it is much needed.

Also, I feel that there needs to be more consistence with the use of phrases 'meccan religion' 'arabian mythology' 'pre-islam arabian'. They seem to be used interchangeably but there is not reason for this in my opinion. 'pre-islam' itself seems a little strange to me because it implies the mythology was eradicated and replaced which may be debatable TreboniusArtorius (talk) 18:55, 27 July 2012 (UTC)