Talk:Archbishopric of Salzburg

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A recent visit to the Salzburg Cathedral included a brief tour of the crypt under the Dom, referred to as the "ten corner room." After a rushed departure (travel issues) a question has arrisen regarding which Bishops were buried in this room, and what the location might be of each, by name.

I have been unable to resurrect a chart of the room, and have only located a map (on-line) that depicts the excavated walls suggesting when they were built and by the administration of which Bishop.

Specifically: As one enters the room, who is fist entombed on the left, then second down the wall, etc.

Any and all reference will be greatly appreciated.

kr

any reason why this page is talking about Tuscany? Rcduggan (talk) 01:54, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

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I reviewed this article today, and have the following comments:

First, the article is nicely written, with few grammatical problems, and its readability is certainly suitable for college-age students (in the US, this would be 18 years or so). The extent of the article suggests you put a lot of time and energy into it, creating the internal links and such, and creating the lists of bishops and archbishops. That said, however, there are several areas that could use some improvement.

The biggest problems in the article are attribution (references/citations, etc.), and sketchy content.

Attribution there are very few sources for this, and they are not recent. One is a specific Bible reference, specific to the foundation. The others are from 1893, and one is the Methodist Review, with no date at all, but given the volume number, I think it is from the 1950s or earlier.

Content The article needs a clearer explanation of an ecclesiastical state, and where it stood in the Holy Roman Empire. To call a state a theocracy is relatively meaningless. the Puritan Colony in Massachusetts was a theocracy, but nothing like this ecclesiastical state. What did it mean to be an ecclesiastical state? What were some of the others? What repercussions did this have? Addressing the fundamental meaning of the ecclesiastical state would provide a unifying theme to the various parts of the article.

Second, the situation during Leopold Anthony of Firmian's tenure was extremely important in the post-religious wars conflicts. The Salzburg migration has been extensively covered, in particular in Walker's analysis, and this is not referenced.

Links. The bulk of the article consists of lists of the archibishops, etc., and where their bodies are stored. The text has many many "red" links, suggesting that much of the material here is not supported elsewhere through Wikipedia. While this is not the author's "fault," perhaps the links should be removed until a time at which the other articles are written.

Wiki Links The links that should be there, such as a link to the Holy Roman Empire or the Thirty Years war, as main articles, are not there.

Example:

===Investiture Era (1060–1213)=== In the era beginning with Pope Gregory VII, the Catholic church entered an era of santification and righteousness in the church.[citation needed] The first archbishop of the era was Gebhard, who during the Investiture Controversy remained on the side of the Pope.[clarification needed] Gebhard thus suffered a nine year exile, and was allowed to return shortly before his death and was buried in Admont. His successor Thimo was imprisoned for five years, and suffered a horrible death in 1102. [citation needed] After King Henry IV abdicated and Conrad I of Abensberg was elected Archbishop. Conrad lived in exile until the Calistine Concordat of 1122. Conrad spent the remaining years of his episcopate improving the religious life in the archdiocese.

The Archbishops again took the side of the Pope during the strife between them and the Hohenstaufens. Archbishop Eberard I of Hilpolstein-Biburg was allowed to reign in peace, but his successor Conrad II of Austria earned the Emperor's wrath and died in 1168 in Admont a fugitive. [citation needed] Conrad III of Wittelsbach was appointed the Archbishop of Salzburg in 1177 at the Diet of Venice, after the partisans of both Pope and Emperor were deposed.[citation needed]

First, it would be useful to indicate what the Investiture Controversy was. A summary of one or two sentences would do. Second, there should be a main article link here, taking the reader in search of more info to the main article on the Investiture controversy. Granted, thatarticle isn't stellar, but the link should be there nevertheless, not just as an inline link, but as a main article link. Thimo suffered a horrible death, but we don't know what it was (do you?). Why did Henry abdicate, and what was the impact on Salzburg? What was the Calistine Concordat, or more specifically, why did it allow him to return?

In the second paragraph, who allowed Eberard to rein in peace? or did he just have a peaceful reign? Was it more that little happened, or did some supra power decide that he should not have any troubles? I would suggest rewriting this sentence, to remove that implication.

My final comment: where did you get this material? Your citations are very spotty, if present at all, and I have no sense of where the information came from. On the positive side, as I said earlier, the text flows nicely, and is easily readable (aside from the many many red links).

In summary, I would not have given this a B-class rating, but rather a C rating. It is clearly beyond a stub, and above start, but it is missing some important elements, such as the citations and explanations of the text.