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- 1 WP:RSOPINION
- 2 Sources don't belong in External links- they belong here
- 3 Section added on early life...
- 4 Created Personal life section from ending of Later career section...
- 5 PLAGIARSIM ALERT; some corrections made, but article as a whole must be considered suspect
- 6 Tags calling for referencing were added, in consideration of above issue, including...
- 7 Taking on cleaning this up
I try not to tag articles unless it's absolutely necessary. This article is in need of some work, though. This article boasts highly of Blakey. Now all of the boasting is backed up with cites; however, it's still unencyclopedic. This is where WP:RSOPINION comes into play. If a reliable source discusses Blakey's greatness, it's not for us to state said greatness as fact-sourced or not. Instead, we should quote what has been said about him. (i.e. "Jazz critic John Doe writes in 'X' that Blakey...") I think it would also help to clarify exactly when Blakey changed his name, and whether or not he recorded or performed under this new name. Joefromrandb (talk) 20:16, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
- Agree entirely: if not sourced, positive accolades are not POV neutral, but if adequately sourced you are reporting the published views of others. Great comment, and I hope others will begin to more closely follow this—not really advice, rather—explanation of Wikipedia policy and expectations. Le Prof 126.96.36.199 (talk) 19:54, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
These sources do not ever belong in External links. I have moved the link farm from there to this talk page where they do belong. Warning: I didn't check them over, so be careful in choosing any references here. Thank you! --Leahtwosaints (talk) 21:57, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
- Art Blakey University School Of Hard Bop
- Article about Art Blakey and "A Night in Tunisia"
- "Art Blakey: Twelve Essential Performances" by Eric Novod, (Jazz.com).
Section added on early life...
...to serve as a starting point, based on a decent online reference (see text). This should be beefed up to include substantial non-internet sources of the same material, so this section's sourcing does not succumb to link rot. As well, tags were added inline to that and the next section to prompt other editors to cease adding material without adequate citation. "If you cannot provide a citation for it, for a biography, it did not happen." A lede tag will be added as well, later. Le Prof 188.8.131.52 (talk) 19:51, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
Created Personal life section from ending of Later career section...
…and added further material to provide citation-derived material on life on the road, drug use, smoking, and marriages, with his passing of lung cancer. All citations were vetted, though better, non-web citations with comparable material could be substituted. Le Prof 184.108.40.206 (talk) 22:03, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
PLAGIARSIM ALERT; some corrections made, but article as a whole must be considered suspect
In the course of assembling the section on drumming style I consulted the online materials on Art Blakey that accompany Ken Burns' documentary Jazz, that appeared on PBS (where the online materials are hosted). I have found that large blocks of Wikipedia text, here, are cribbed, verbatim—that is, plagiarized—from the PBS page on Art Blakey, which is in turn sourced from the The New Grove Dictionary of Jazz, Oxford University Press. It is impossible to say whether the PBS site was the source of the material, directly, or whether the Grove source was consulted, but this is immaterial. The content at both the PBS and Grove bear clear labels, e.g., that "Copying or other reproduction is prohibited." Note, this theft of intellectual property is blatant, and without excuse. Entire sentences were cut and pasted between the articles, some with no modification whatsoever, and all without quotation marks and without inline citations to even suggest the source.
Because of the blatant nature of the plagiarism, the article as a whole must be considered suspect, until every sourced statement is verified, and every unsourced statement is properly sourced. I am affixing the best possible tags to call attention to the matter at the article head.
To assess this—to see the page as I saw it, before writing this Talk section—go in the Article's View History, and look at the article at end of day yesterday, focusing on the lede, and the "Music before the Messengers" section (parts of which are now gathered in the "Drumming style" section). Then, compare those sections to the following copyrighted PBS/Grove article:
Alternatively, look for the PBS-quoted sentences in the "Drumming style" section; these sentences did not appear as quotations in the earlier Wikipedia article version (i.e., I made these edits today, in conjunction with posting this Talk section).
I will do what I can do, now, on short order to remove the plagiarism while maintaining content. I will also communicate this matter to PBS/Grove, and to leaders at Wikipedia corporate. Le Prof 220.127.116.11 (talk) 18:28, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
Tags calling for referencing were added, in consideration of above issue, including...
…tag indicating that there are currently no sources whatsoever, to any published source, in this article, listing alumni of the Jazz Messengers. Cross-referencing to other Wikipedia articles that may or may not mention, clearly, and with sourcing, purported facts given here is not a sufficient manner of referencing information appearing in this article. See more significant plagiarism observation, above, which casts a pall over all information not clearly and reliably referenced in this article. Le Prof — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 23:51, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
Taking on cleaning this up
I added a bunch of refs just now. I'm taking on cleaning this article up. Feedback welcome. So far just refs to the first paragraph, will use them throughout.
Changed and cleaned up the first two sections. Added numerous citations while trying to avoid overkill. More to come.