Talk:Arthur Rubinstein

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ARTHUR not ARTUR[edit]

His name is Artur, not Arthur. This page needs to be moved.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.45.72.26 (talk) 02:49, 8 December 2006

Rubinstein preferred to use Arthur when in English speaking countries. Since this is the English version of Wikipedia, Arthur it is! THD3 01:09, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It shouldn't be what he wanted his name to be, it's what his birth name is. For example, if I was famous, and my name is Andrew (it is), and I preferred to be called Andria for some odd reason, are you going to make a page called Andria .... or Andrew .......? Androo123 (talk) 04:18, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If that was the case, then numerous other articles would also be altered. For example, Vladimir Horowitz would be Vladimir Gorovitz, etc. The Anglicized version of Rubinstein's name is now the standardized version used in English sources. This is even the case with CD's published by BMG/RCA, which formerly used the "Artur" version (at the insistence of Rubinstein's manager, Sol Hurok), and now refer to him as "Arthur." Rubinstein's memoirs were also published using the Arthur version.THD3 (talk) 15:13, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
In his memoir, Rubinstein addressed this issue. He wrote that his name was Arthur and not Artur, and that he was greatly irritated by people who insisted on calling him Artur.119.142.152.124 (talk) 06:30, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That suggests he was always Arthur, from birth, which a reading of the article would also suggest, since there's no mention of Artur until: "Impresario Sol Hurok insisted Rubinstein be billed as Artur for his American concerts, even though the pianist referred to himself as Arthur when in English-speaking countries." Which raises the obvious question: what did he go by in non-English speaking countries? Just because this is English Wikipedia doesn't mean we should ignore this aspect of his life. There seems to be some disagreement about his birth name. If he really was born Artur, and later chose to be Arthur (at least in some contexts), we should say something about this. Likewise, if he was always Arthur, we should say something about why he's frequently shown in reference works as Artur. -- JackofOz (talk) 08:01, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Rubinstein, a true cosmopolitan, adopted the naming custom of whatever country he was in. In Spanish speaking countries, for example, he went by Arturo. (I've even seen an old 78 RPM record from Spain in which he was was billed as Arturo Rubinstein.) But in English speaking countries, he preferred Arthur. Once Sol Hurok died, he was billed as such on concert listings, but RCA retained the Artur spelling until the 1990s.THD3 (talk) 14:46, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Artur Rubinstein gets 1.77 million Google hits, compared to 1.38 for Arthur Rubinstein. On the other hand 'Arthur' is used by the Oxford Dictionary of Music. --Kleinzach 01:42, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Dear IP 119, I have Rubinstein's memoirs (there's two of them actually). Can you tell me in which one and where he makes this statement?
Also, LIFE magazine used "Artur" [1]. The memoirs themselves were published under an author title of "Artur" [2], [3]. Britannica uses "Artur" [4]. The Sachs and Manildi uses both variants with an explanation [5] - which is probably what is being referred to above. Volunteer Marek  21:11, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
My copies of Rubinstein's memoirs (first editions by Knopf) were published under the name Arthur Rubinstein. Page 4 of My Young Years contains the following footnote: In later years, my manager Sol Hurok used the h-less "Artur" for my publicity, but I sign "Arthur" in countries where it is common practice, "Arturo" in Spain and Italy, and "Artur" in the Slav countries.[THD3]
Hmmm yeah, after looking around a bit it seems like the books were published under various names or something (my copy's in Polish so it's Artur). I also saw that quote - but it doesn't say anything about "being greatly irritated by people who insisted on calling him Artur", that part seems to be made up. Volunteer Marek  22:51, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Ugh, this is an abomination. I can't believe you are listing him as ARTHUR. Everyone knows it's ARTUR. Literally, everyone. 108.244.74.98 (talk) 06:10, 7 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That is completely and utterly dead wrong. In every possible way. Literally. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 06:26, 7 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Farewell concert"[edit]

"Rubinstein's farewell concert: Part 1; Part 2"

This is confusing - those videos are not from Rubinstein last recital, they're from from Pasadena, California, 1975. W.J.M. (talk) 17:51, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

B-class revew[edit]

Failed for WP:POLAND due to insufficient inline citations. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:52, 6 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal[edit]

Someone placed tags proposing to merge Arthur Rubinstein – The Love of Life into Arthur Rubinstein, but failed to provide a rationale here. I can only guess he/she thought the movie wasn't notable separate from the man. However, I must...

Anton Rubinstein[edit]

I am guessing Arthur was not related to Anton. If that is the case, can I say so somewhere in the article? Op47 (talk) 16:06, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No. An encyclopedia is for reporting what is the case, not what is not the case. Plus, why stop at Anton, when there are so many other notable Rubinsteins?
Now, if it had been commonly asserted, incorrectly, that they were related (a la Katherine and Audrey Hepburn, or Elisabeth and Norman Schwarzkopf), then there would be a case for knocking that on the head. But since no such assertion is commonly made, there is no need to deny it. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 22:44, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Film scores[edit]

Somebody's ashamed that Rubenstein did film scores - the filmography makes it appear that he barely had any involvement with movies at all. Don G Taylor (talk) 02:41, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, my bad. I was thinking of Arthur B Rubinstein. Don G Taylor (talk) 02:51, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Pedagogical chain back to Beethoven[edit]

The New York Times obituary cited by this article states that Rubinstein's teacher, Karl Heinrich Barth, studied with Liszt. I cannot find the claim of Barth being a pupil of Liszt anywhere else. According to Barth's entry in Grove, Barth studied with Hans von Bülow, Hans Bronsart von Schellendorff, and Carl Tausig. Those three were all pupils of Liszt, so Barth was thus a grand-disciple of Liszt thrice over, but not a pupil. William Avery (talk) 19:03, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Polish Identity[edit]

When, as you say, „Rubinstein was deeply attached to Poland“ and to the greatest son of Polish music why did he not show his Polish patriotism by simply returning to Poland after World War II and helping to reconstruct his badly damaged homeland? Could it be that making music and money in the Western countries and enjoying the advantages of the western style of life was even more important than patriotism. Moreover it would have been a great honour to Poland if he had wanted to be buried in his homeland. HarWie (talk) 21:26, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well, to answer your question, part of Rubinstein's reason for not returning to Poland was the Communist government there. But the purpose of the Talk page is not to discuss such issues, rather to raise points relevant to improving the article.THD3 (talk) 21:17, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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