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Factual Error[edit]

The article states that "the Articles and the Constitution were established by many of the same people." That is demonstrably false. Of the thirty-nine people who signed the Constitution, only five of them had signed the Articles of Confederation. Thus, 87% of the delegates to the 1787 Constitutional Convention had nothing to do with the writing of the Articles of Confederation. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_signers_of_the_United_States_Constitution

John Paul Parks (talk) 17:00, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

The articles were not a constitution[edit]

The Articles of Confederation do not include the word "constitution".[1]

If the Articles are the first constitution then a reliable source needs to be cited that says this. Otherwise edits are necessary.

What goes into the lead must meet the policy for this wp:lead — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.48.48 (talk) 01:12, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

How about the Library of Congress? [1] Steveozone (talk) 01:46, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
What about the library of Congress? 71.202.48.48 (talk) 02:54, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
The RS are clear that it was the first constitution: Try "The Articles of Confederation: America's First Constitution" (in he American Pageant, Volume I: A History of the American People (2009) p 181; The Articles of Confederation: the first constitution of the United States by Barbara Feinberg (2002); "Americans greeted the news of the completion of the ratification of the Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union — America's first constitution — with the pealing of church bells, fireworks,...." [Gordon Wood, ed Russian-American dialogue on the American Revolution (1995) p 217; Official government document: The First Constitution—The Articles of Confederation,” The Charters of Freedom, US National Archives and Records Administration, College Park, Maryland, 2004; political science textbook: "This first constitution, the Articles of Confederation" [Susan Welch, Understanding American Government (2009) p. 23] and 3000+ additional citations listed at google.books.com Rjensen (talk) 12:15, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

A constitution doesn't need to have the word constitution in it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ichabodvancha (talkcontribs) 16:50, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Merger proposal[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a

Merge Proposal and / or Redirect. Please do not modify it.
The result of the request for the Proposed Merger of {see requested article(s) below} into this talk page's article was:

Part 1: Merger of two "Redundant" Lists—Done
Part 2: Not Done—No Consensus as to the form of any merger.
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==> The articles List of Presidents of the Congress under the Articles of Confederation and List of Presidents under the articles of confederation should be merged here, to the Articles of Confederation#Presidents of the Congress section. --JC1008 (talk) 15:00, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Um... Surely this is a controversial proposal, but it may be the most technically correct: The Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union founded "The United States of America". Despite "Perpetual", the Articles provided conditions under which they could be replaced. Those conditions were met when the current Constitution was unanimously ratified (see Articles of Confederation). Thus, Presidents under the Articles were Presidents of the United States and should arguably be in that list, though certainly distinguished from GW etc. After all, Americans count the age of the country from July 4, 1776, five years before even the Articles were ratified. Laguna CA (talk) 18:51, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
The list of Presidents of the United States is not involved in this merger proposal. The merger proposal is for duplicative lists for the Articles of Confederation. The executive office of President of the United States did not exist until the Constitution. The (unicameral) Congress had a president, and the modern-day Congress (Senate) STILL has a president who is not the President of the United States. --JC1008 (talk) 19:08, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
Just wanted to point out that the (post-Articles) Constitution of the United States and List of Presidents of the United States (under the post-Articles Constitution) are separate articles, and the good reasons for that are on point for this merger proposal. The Articles of Confederation and the list of Presidents of the United States under the Articles of Confederation should be separate for the same reasons that the Constitution of the United States and the List of Presidents of the United States articles are different. Just my two cents. 192.138.214.120 (talk) 00:08, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
There is nothing in the separate article for the men who served as presiding officer of the Articles of Confederation Congress that is not already in this article, so there is no obvious reason for its existence. The fact is however that the list doesn't belong here either. It belongs in the suite of articles in which Congress of the Confederation lies because the officer in question was nothing more or less than the presiding officer of that legislative body. Currently, the presidents under the Confederation are included in the list at President of the Continental Congress because the membership of the latter automatically became the membership of the other. There is some question whether those officers should be included there or split off into a sublist at Congress of the Confederation, but the standalone article and the list at this article make no sense.
That article should be redirected, for the moment, to President of the Continental Congress and the section at this article should be deleted with a link to that article also put somewhere in the remaining text of this article. Then a discussion should ensue at either President of the Continental Congress or Congress of the Confederation, with notice at the other and at the relevant WikiProject pages, as to whether the existing list should be split between the two articles or retained in its current form. -Rrius (talk) 00:57, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
Articles of Confederation#Presidents of the Congress begins with Samuel Huntington, while List of Presidents under the articles of confederation and List of Presidents of the Congress under the Articles of Confederation begin with John Hanson. This is because Hanson was the first President of Congress under the Articles of Confederation as opposed to the Congress that existed before the Articles were ratified.
That said, I believe List of Presidents under the articles of confederation and List of Presidents of the Congress under the Articles of Confederation should be redirected to Articles of Confederation#Presidents of the Congress, but then to remove the two Presidents listed before John Hanson here. Holdek (talk) 06:46, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Agreed List of Presidents under the articles of confederation and List of Presidents of the Congress under the Articles of Confederation are redundant and so short they would be better merged into a larger article. I am personally in favor of incorporating them into the Congress of the Confederation article, as it concerns the government of the United States under the Articles and thus would seem to include the president of the congress. Nathaniel Greene (talk) 03:13, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. GenQuest "Talk to Me" 15:37, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

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Article Summaries Edit (Specifically article 6) Major Edit*[edit]

In the 6th article it summarizes,"Only the central government is allowed to conduct foreign political or commercial relations...". I think it should read, "Only the central government is allowed to conduct foreign political". I read the Articles of Confederation's entire article 6 and did not come across the power of the central government to regulate foreign commerce. I looked at many sites stating that it was the opposite, that the government under Articles of Confederation had no power to regulate interstate and foreign commerce. The United States Constitution gave the power of interstate and foreign commerce to the federal government not the Articles of Confederation.

This page also contradicts itself, stating, "Congress had also been denied the power to regulate either foreign trade or interstate commerce and, as a result, all of the States maintained control over their own trade policies."

Sparknotes informs,"The failure of a supreme authority to regulate interstate commerce became a problem because, although Congress was endowed with the sole authority to negotiate foreign treaties, it did not have the power to control trade between individual states and foreign countries."

UshistoryScene agrees, "America in the mid-1780’s was plagued by economic chaos that originated from the national government’s inability to manage trade. Under the Articles of Confederation, Congress had limited power to regulate trade. Congress was only able to regulate trade and commerce with Native American tribes and, even then, only if it did not impair an individual state’s ability to monitor its own trade. Congress had no ability to negotiate trade agreements with foreign countries." If foreign commercial relations is directed toward the Native Americans as depicted in this article it should be separately stated along the lines of, "conduct foreign political or Native American commercial relations," or "conduct foreign political relations or Native American commercial relations."

If I am misinformed please tell me, I was just writing a American research paper and became severely confused with the contradictions I [think I] saw within this article, and its contradictions with other sources.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/artconf.asp#art6 http://www.sparknotes.com/history/american/articles/section2.rhtml http://www.ushistoryscene.com/uncategorized/articlesofconfederation/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ichabodvancha (talkcontribs) 17:17, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 January 2014[edit]

Fatman22222 (talk) 15:40, 29 January 2014 (UTC) i like booty

Not done: as you have not requested a change.
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