Talk:Ashkenazi Jews

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Religion in infobox[edit]

The "Religion" field in the infobox says "Judaism, some secular, irreligious". I'd remove "secular, irreligious", for the following reasons:

  1. The strictly linguistic argument: "secular" and "irreligious" are not religions.
  2. It is obvious that not all Jews are religious, and there is no need to mention that. The degree of religiousness is not specified, nor it is asked for in this field. The only thing this field asks is what religion is, or religions are, the main religions for people who are Jews?
  3. Compare Arabs, Berbers and other peoples' infoboxes, that only specify religions. Even the infobox on Jews doesn't mention this! Debresser (talk) 09:40, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
I agree. Nearly every ethnic group has some seculars but they include the traditional religion. No other Jewish ethnic group includes secularism, even though its more common in Ashkenazim. --Monochrome_Monitor 18:26, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Paragraph on maternal lineages in lead[edit]

"Genetic studies on Ashkenazim have been conducted to determine how much of their ancestry comes from Europe, and how much derives from the Levant. These studies—researching both their paternal and maternal lineages—point to at least some ancient Levantine origins. But they have arrived at diverging conclusions regarding both the degree and the sources of their European ancestry.[28] These diverging conclusions focus particularly on the extent of the predominant European genetic origin observed in Ashkenazi maternal lineages."

I don't think such a disclaimer is significant enough to put in the lead, since it bears little impact on Ashkenazi peoplehood. I think it should be moved to the section on genetics, where it would make a good introduction. --Monochrome_Monitor 18:29, 26 April 2015 (UTC) Also, "extent of the predminant European genetic origins" make little sense since it assumes extent, so I think predominant should be taken out. --Monochrome_Monitor 18:29, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

First of all, the lead should summarize the main points of the article. This version is a compromise, which was the product of a hard period on this article and its associated talkpage, with edit wars and much discussion. For these reasons both I think it can stay, and that it is probably best it stays. Debresser (talk) 21:57, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Belgium[edit]

I just noticed that Belgium is not on the list of "Regions with significant populations" in the infobox. Since I know for a fact that it has more (Ashkenazi) Jewish citizens than at least some 5-10 other countries on the list, that fact surprises me. Debresser (talk) 00:09, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Sources? --Monochrome_Monitor 16:38, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
Debresser should know, and a phone call could get the local community's statistics quickly. The Jewish Virtual Library cites 30,000 while the Dutch wiki states 40,000 (without a citation). It is certainly a very significant presence, as a percentage of the population, esp in two cities and should be included.Nishidani (talk) 17:09, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
I figured he was right, I just wanted some sources. I agree it should be included. --Monochrome_Monitor 20:54, 29 April 2015 (UTC)