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- 1 Untitled
- 2 Job: A comedy of Justice-he is mentioned there
- 3 Asmodai in the Lesser Key of Solomon
- 4 Additions
- 5 List of references and trivia
- 6 Jewish Encyclopedia material
- 7 Asmodeus/Asmodai in the Christian Bible
- 8 Requested move
- 9 See also?
- 10 Additional sources
- 11 Dungeons and Dragons ref
- 12 English please
- 13 sources are incomplete
- 14 Talmud and Qur'an
- 15 Problems with former references
Unsure of how to fix this: It mentions in the first paragraph that the Book of Tobit is deuterocanonical, but then proceedes in the Asmodai in Judaism section to mention (elaborate?) the Book of Tobit. Is this not a kind of mismatch?
I am new here so I didn't want to go moving too much around, but if any more experienced editors could clean this up that would be good. -- user:Goosey
FYI I just met this demon unexpectedly for the first time while helping a teen break their pact with Satan, thanks to wikipedia I know what it is about Keith Hodges (talk) 03:38, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
- Not really. The fact that this particular book is not part of the Hebrew Biblical canon doesn't change the fact that it is a Jewish religious text. -- Naive cynic 19:50, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Job: A comedy of Justice-he is mentioned there
Towards the end of the Robert A. Heinlein novel, Job: A Comedy of Justice, he is mentioned by at least one name-A.S. Modeus, and perhaps by a slightly altered version of the the name Asmodai. Worth a look.
Asmodai in the Lesser Key of Solomon
It is stated that in the Lesser Key of Solomon he is ranked only 32nd. I don't pretend to be an expert on this, but to me it doesn't appear that the numbering of demons in this work reflects their actual rank. Indeed, Asmoday is described to be "first and choicest under the power of Amaymon, he goeth before all other". (This is the Mathers/Crowley edition.) After the list of the demons, it is said: "These be the 72 mighty kings and princes which king Solomon commanded into a Vessel of Brass, together with their legions, of whom Belial, Bileth, Asmoday and Gaap were chief."
He is actually called Asmoday in the Lesser Key of Solomon, and he is a King, his seal is gold.
I added some things, moved some around, and formated a bit. More citations are going to be needed if this article is to go anywhere. I may work the demonology section into the section I called Asmoday soon. But seeing as how my additions were the only ones cited, I seperated it from the rest for now, but will try to find sources for the demonology section. Zos 04:33, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
List of references and trivia
The list is getting out of hand. Way too many entries and trivia, so I moved it to the talk page where hopefully we can integrate some of its content into the article body as stated in WP:TRIV. Orphu of Io 10:50, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Asmodai in fiction
- In Dungeons & Dragons, Asmodeus currently resides in Fortress Malsheem, located in Nessus, the ninth layer of Baator. He is acknowledged by all baatezu as the king of Baator, essentially making him lord of the nine layers of Hell. In earlier publications, Asmodeus was the Lord of the Nine Hells, having overthrown Baalzebub (now Baalzebul), who himself overthrew Satan (who walks the Earth). Asmodeus was Lawful Evil and overlord of the (lawful) devils (as opposed to Demogorgon who was Chaotic Evil and overlord of the (choaotic) demons).
- In David Allen's video game, Mordor: The Depths of Dejenol, as Asmodeus, the Prince of Devils and the game's ultimate boss.
- El Diablo Cojuelo (The Cripple Devil), by Luís Vélez de Guevara
- Paradise Lost, by John Milton
- In Redwall, by Brian Jacques, he is a giant adder (see Asmodeus Poisonteeth).
- In the Wheel of Time books by Robert Jordan as Asmodean, one of the thirteen Forsaken, near-immortal men and women of magical might and political influence who serve the Dark One.
- In Nomine as Asmodeus, one of the Demon Princes.
- Shadow Hearts: Covenant as Asmodeus, a demon. He was summoned by Rasputin.
- Terranigma as Asmodeus, the disease that ravaged the surface world.
- Megatokyo webcomic as Asmodeus, archenemy to Seraphim
- In the Japanese comic Angel Sanctuary, Asmodeus was once a member of the cherubim and represents the sin of Lust as one of the Seven Satans.
- Gene Roddenberry's Spectre has a fictional cult devoted to the worship of him. In addition, the animated Star Trek episode The Magicks of Megas-tu features a resident of Megas-tu who claims he was known, on Earth, as Asmodeus.
- In the arcade/Nintendo 64 fighting game Mace: The Dark Age, Asmodeus is a demon who wields an unholy relic called the Mace of Tanis. Drawing on its netherwordly power, he supports the Covenant of Seven, an alliance of vicious rulers in the medieval world. In return, these sovereigns constantly war on their neighbouring countries and subject their lessers to the worst kinds of torture imaginable, thus satisfying the dark cravings of the Mace and its master.
- The first Star Ocean video game features the Demon King Asmodeus as the source of the virus that ravaged the planet of Roak.
- In the Ogre Battle Saga, as both Asmodeus and Asmodee, the god of Bane.
- In Gabriel Knight 3: Blood of the Sacred, Blood of the Damned, Asmodeus is the demon the titular character must defeat in the Temple of Solomon.
- In the comic series RFU, Asmodai is the leader of the Pointy Hat Guys, responsible for orchestrating many of the series' events.
- In the PC game Diablo, referred to as Azmodan, the Lord of Sin.
- In Anne Perry's Tathea, Asmodeus is the evil counterpart to God.
- In Linda Haldeman's Esbae: A Winter's Tale, Chuck Holmes summons the demon Asmodeus to help him pass his college classes.
- In Robot Alchemical Drive, Asmodeus is the Leader of an evil robot race, and the final boss.
- In a Role-Playing Story called the "Yoshi Bodyguards" (formerly located in the Nintendo Nsider Forums, now in a private forum), Asmodeus is a Titan made of fire. The story's main character was named Asmodeus as well.
- In a series of novels by Richard Harland called the Heaven and Earth Trilogy, Asmodai is a fallen angel who pretends to repent. He is welcomed back into Heaven, but secretly continues to plot Heaven's fall.
- In the video game Painkiller, Asmodeus is the leader of Lucifer's armies. In the expansion, he usurps the throne of Lucifer.
- In Charmed the leader of the demonic group, the Triad, is named Asmodeus.
- Asmodai is also the name given to the Interrogator-Chaplain of the Dark Angels Space Marine chapter in the Warhammer 40,000 fictional universe.
- In Raven's Gate, by Anthony Horowitz, Jayne Deverill, a witch, has a cat called Asmodeus.
- In the action videogame Max Payne, the psychotic mafia goon Jack Lupino mentions Asmodeus in his deluded worship of various demons and other malevolent figures.
- Asmodaios was the name of a Greek satirical newspaper published by writer Emmanouel Roidis between 1875 and 1876.
- Asmodeus is the name of the demon who is about to be raised by his followers demons in the Playstation 2's game Shadowman 2 Second Coming.
- Asmodeus is the name of the demon of lust in the film Demon hunter (2005) portrayed by the actor Billy Drago.
- In the book Dora, Doralina by Rachel De Queiroz, Asmodeus is the name of the main character's second husband/true love. His father named him Asmodeus in order to spite a local Catholic priest.
Jewish Encyclopedia material
Would recommend simply using this material as a source and integrating it into the appropriate sections of the article and citing rather than keeping intact. The Jewish Encyclopedia's view of Asmodai in Zoroastrianism should go in the Zoroastrianism section, for example. --Shirahadasha 04:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
- >> Would recommend simply using this material as a source and integrating it into the appropriate sections of the article and citing rather than keeping intact.
- >> The Jewish Encyclopedia's view of Asmodai in Zoroastrianism should go in the Zoroastrianism section, for example.
- The Jewish Encyclopedia (1906!) is hardly a legitimate source of information on Zoroastrianism. In any case, Asmodai is not a Zoroastrian entity. Aeshma(-Daeva) is, and there are articles on both halves of that compound term.
- -- Fullstop 16:58, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Asmodeus/Asmodai in the Christian Bible
Has Asmodeus/Asmodai ever been mentioned in any translation/version of the Christian Bible?
Just dropping in refs as I poke about a bit.
- Crawford Howell Toy, "Evil Spirits in the Bible", Journal of Biblical Literature 9 (1890): 17–30.
- Charles Cutler Torrey, "'Nineveh' in the Book of Tobit", Journal of Biblical Literature 41 (1922): 237–245.
- Henry A. Redpath, "Mythological Terms in the LXX", The American Journal of Theology 9 (1905): 34–45.
- Wolf Wilhelm Graf von Baudissin, "Asmodi", in de:Albert Hauck and Johann Jacob Herzog (eds.), Realencyklopädie für protestantische Theologie und Kirche, (Leipzig: de:Johann Conrad Hinrichs, 1896-1913), vol. 2, p. 142. (German)
- Erik Stave, Einfluss des Parsismus auf das Judentum, (Haarlem: E.F. Bohn, 1898). (German)
- Nathaniel ben Jehiel (of Rome), Aruch Completum, 8 volumes, edited by Alexander Kohut, (Vindobona: Hebräischer Verlag "Menorah", 1926), vol 1, p. 318. (Hebrew)Alastair Haines (talk) 21:17, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Dungeons and Dragons ref
It doesn't belong. Every other example in that section is cited to an independent source, which indicates that particular depiction's impact on the general popular perception. The monstrous manual and DMG "references" do not do that, and there is no indication they are important to the general perception. They belong at the IPC article, not here. Mintrick (talk) 07:04, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
- Sourcing to primary, secondary or tertiary sources is a guideline, not a rule. But in the interests of avoiding an edit war, I will procure secondary sourcing. Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:20, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
- Asmodeus would thus seem to be a demon characterized by carnal desire; but he is also described as an evil spirit in general: 'Ασμοδαίος τὸ πονηρὸν δαιμόνιον or τõ δαιμόνιον πονηρόν, and πνεῦμα ἀκάθαρτον (iii.8, 17; vi.13; viii.3).
sources are incomplete
- The reference is ref #11 - I added others with the other page numbers. I'll split out. Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:15, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Talmud and Qur'an
I added a needed reference to Asmodeus in the Talmud. GITTEN 68a & 68b.. where you can find the story of capturing him using the magic ring of Solomon and a magic chain (much like Frodo & Gollum actually!!) There is a mention in the Qur'an of Demons helping Solomon (Sulaiman) build stuff & get marbles from under the sea. Sura (Sad 38:37) "Then We subjected the Wind To his power, to flow Gently to his order, Whithersoever he willed,— As also the evil ones, (Including) every kind Of builder and diver,— As also others bound Together in fetters."
Problems with former references
It seems confusion arises between the former poster's views who claims the Jewish encyclopedia would have said that there are no links whatsoever between AEshma Daeva and Ashmodai, yet he posted only the link to the reference in the encyclopedia "Aeshma" http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/873-aeshma-asmodeus-ashmedai while I looked up "Asmodeus" http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/2019-asmodeus I came to believe both articles were from different sites but no it comes from the same website which has the unedited full text 1906 version of the Jewish Encyclopedia. Still in the Aeshma article in the encyclopedia, there is a chapter called "Influence of Persian Beliefs on Judaism." : "However, it is not impossible that Æshma-dæva, too, may have had other qualities analogous, point for point, to those of Asmodeus and Ashmedai. It is probable that the belief in the existence of a number of carnally minded and lascivious spirits, which was prevalent among the Parsees as among other peoples with whom the people of Israel came in contact, exercised an influence not merely on the Hebrew conceptions of an Asmodeus or Ashmedai, but also on Jewish ideas in general with regard to the qualities of evil spirits."
"Not the least was the influence of Parseeism."
"the depiction of Ashmedai in the Talmud, show that the popular beliefs of the Persians have likewise had a bearing, presumably in the first instance, on popular beliefs, and later, through them, on their theological modes of thought."
More, in the article "Asmodeus" in the encyclopedia , the etymological connection is refuted: "A consideration of the linguistic arguments does not support the hypothesis of an identification of Ashmedai with Æshma-dæva, as "dai" in Ashmedai hardly corresponds with the Persian "dæva," in view of the Syriac form "dawya" (demon) with the consonant "w"; nor is there any instance of the linking of "Æshma" and "dæva" in Persian texts."
yet, in the same chapter of the same article comparing AEshma with Ashmodai there is a part denoting that in some texts their roles and appearance are somehow similar: "Asmodeus of the Apocrypha, and Æshma, however, seem to be related. In the Testament of Solomon Asmodeus appears as seducing man to unchaste deeds, murder, and enmity, and thus reveals many points in common with Æshma. The "Bundehish" (xxviii. 15-18) furnishes the most striking resemblance: "There, wherever Æshm lays a foundation, many creatures perish." " — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 21:59, 12 April 2013 (UTC)