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Signs and Symptoms[edit]

Would you mind if I started a signs and symptoms section. Many of the other pages have this and I find its good to have a list like format for this part. Let me know what you think and I'll start one, likely starting with those listed by the Mayo clinic http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/autism-spectrum-disorder/basics/definition/con-20021148 Thanks Jinandtonicpark (talk) 14:16, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

New posts go at the bottom of the page. This article already has that section, under the alternate name of "Characteristics" (some people in the autism community don't like the terminology of symptoms). Please see WP:MEDMOS. Also, this is a Featured article, and Mayoclinic is not the highest quality source (please review WP:MEDRS). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:56, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Asperger's in Women[edit]

It is a massive oversight to miss out at least a mention that the typical classification of Asperger's is based on largely male-derived research, which really ought to be mentioned. It is also worth mentioning that as time goes on it is appearing that many women go un-diagnosed as they often do not present with the stereotypical symptoms, as a result of this gender discrepancy is research data. Please see National Autistic Society website and various other bodies which offer resources explaining the Asperger's gender gap. As Wikipedia is such a wide-reaching resource, it really is important to not spread outdated and potentially misleading information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.158.159.223 (talkcontribs) (UTC)

You are welcome to find reliable sources about this and write up some content using them. Just place it here with your request. -- Brangifer (talk) 16:38, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 16:59, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm no expert - but Asperger Syndrome has no known cause (not genetics, virus, bacterium or fungus), no method of physical diagnosis (blood test, biopsy, brain-scan, X-ray) - it's defined ENTIRELY as a cluster of co-morbid symptoms.
Now, if you say "women have different symptoms" - then how can you possibly say that they have Asperger syndrome? They have some condition - which also has no known cause and no solid method of diagnosis - but by what means can you say that their cluster of symptoms is the same syndrome? It just doesn't make sense. Doubly so because there are small numbers of women who exhibit the exact same symptoms as men who have Aspergers.
It would be different if we could point to a particular genetic cause for Aspergers and find the same defective gene in these women with the different symptoms - or if both were infected with the same virus or something.
However, I'm not an expert - so we need a WP:MEDRS-quality source to confirm any of these claims before we can write about them here. SteveBaker (talk) 01:20, 20 December 2014 (UTC)


I have been an editor here at Wikipedia since 2006. Wikipedia is biased towered mainstream thought. This does not represent some sort of conspiracy to stifle thought, but it is the result of the strict sourcing rules. Specifically mainstream sources such as the New York Times or peer reviewed science are deemed reliable. With the exception of web sites created by said reliable sources, blogs and forums sourcing is not considered unreliable. There is good reason for the rules. One does not know who is writing these blogs or posts, what there credentials are, what if any fact checking was done. A lot of the postings in these online sources are kooks, quacks and conspiracy theorists. A dilemma arises because these "unreliable" online sources are becoming the primary means of communication for younger generations. One also must remember that most mainstream thought was at one time though of as quackery. Wikipedia's answer to this dilemma is "it's to complicated" to sort out the reliable and unreliable new media, let's stay with the tried and true. So what readers get is a verifiably accurate partial information on topics

Aspergers traits were first observed and defined in in boys. The original definition informs diagnosis and treatment of females "Aspies" to this day. Females on the spectrum are often not diagnosed or misdiagnosed, their Aspergers presents differently and they have more effective, but more stressful coping/masking techniques. The claim presented in the first sentence of this paragraph has plenty of reliable sourcing reliable to back it up. The claims in the following two sentences are nearly universally accepted in the blogs and forums that cater to Aspies/People with Aspergers, ie the people who have the most experience with the syndrome. But they are considered "unreliable" by Wikipedia standards so the readers of this article have not receive this information.

Hopefully the sources I provided while not optimal below will be enough to say this the above is a school of thought

Overlooked and Underdiagnosed: Distinct Expression of Asperger Syndrome in Females. http://www.yale.edu/yrurp/issues/Yurkiewicz%20(2009).pdf

Women and girls on the autism spectrum National Autistic Society http://www.autism.org.uk/About-autism/Autism-and-Asperger-syndrome-an-introduction/Gender-and-autism/Women-and-girls-on-the-autism-spectrum.aspx

Females with AS: Aspergers Autism network of New England http://www.aane.org/about_asperger_syndrome/asperger_syndrome_females.html

Tony Attwood website: http://www.tonyattwood.com.au/index.php/about-aspergers/girls-and-women-who-have-aspergers

Thanks Aspie-Autistic 1957

We would need WP:MEDRS sources. Dbrodbeck (talk) 13:54, 21 December 2014 (UTC)