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Merge[edit]

I have imported the "continuity" paragraph from [[names of Syriac Christians". The question of cultural continuity is a topic of Assyrianism (in the sense that Assyrianism needs to postulate continuity). The quotations seem to boil down to the situation that the question is unsettled and somewhat disputed, but that there does seem to be a good chance that some amount of Assyrian continuity may have survived in the lowest strata of society. It will obviously be impossible to gauge its precise nature or extent since there are no sources (it is impossible to get a clear picture of the lower classes anywhere in ancient history). --dab (𒁳) 10:33, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Assyrian dreams[edit]

The Assyrian people page is including all Aramaic-speaking Christians. and then the Assyrianism page says:

"Assyrianism is the ideology of a united Assyrian people, coupled with the irredentist quest for Assyrian independence."

So the information on here is telling people that all Aramaic Christians are 'Assyrians'. and then it is associating all of these people with 'Assyrianism', which as defined above is an "irredentist quest" for independance. This isn't true! not all Aramaic Christians are 'Assyrians' and not all that have this ideology of 'irrendentist quest'. This has been written by some Assyrian nationalists! I think that the page which includes all Aramaic Christians should be called Syriac Christians rather than 'Assyrian people'. Not all Aramaic Christian have this Assyrian ideology. ܥܝܪܐܩ (talk) 13:40, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

RESPONSE TO THE ABOVE COMMENTS

It has been mentioned in the article that many christians from Syria (excluding the Al Hassakeh region) and Lebanon do not accept an Assyrian identity, and that Assyrian identity is pretty much found among Iraqi, Iranian, north east Syrian, south east Turkish, Armenian and Georgian eastern Aramaic speaking Christians. I think that is fair enough.

RESPONSE TO THE COMMENT ABOVE

Assyrians in Iraq are a minority; the majority of the Aramaic speaking Christians in Iraq are either Chaldean or Syriac, neither of the two claim to be Assyrian. There are Assyrians that are part of each church, do not confuse a pupil that attends the Chaldean Catholic/Syriac Orthodox Church, but calls himself Assyrian. Chaldeans are of Arab ancestry and Syriacs are of Aramean ancestry. Assyrians have nothing to do with ancient Assyrians. They are simply a group of Persian Christians/Armenians that were fooled by British Evangelists. They are Ah-Toor-A-Yah(Atoraya), meaning the people of the mountains, not Assyrians pertaining to Assur. Their issue is complex and they are bending the truth about the Christians of the Middle East, specifically the Syriacs and Chaldeans. They have nothing that proves that they are in fact Assyrian; the only thing they have is references pertaining to Assyrian Nationalists, which many have been successfully refuted by Syriac and Western scholars. They do not seek to unite neither of the groups, they simply wish to push their own agenda so that they can claim benefits from Iraq, Syria, and Jordan. Without Syriacs or Chaldeans on their side, they are unable to achieve any of their goals. They are not going anywhere in politics, the only threat they oppose is here on Wikipedia where they can misconstrued history. The joke is on them however because no scholar or researcher uses Wikipedia as a reference. They are a joke in Iraq and many of them ran during the seventies because their citizenship were stripped for being Iranians, which they truly are. Neither Syriacs or Chaldeans faced that issue in Iraq during the seventies. Many Assyrians speak funny Aramaic and Arabic. Their Aramaic does not sound like Syriac or Chaldean Aramaic; it sounds much like Persian than anything. They are not from Iraq as they have you believe, most of them come from Iran, but because of the Sykes-Picot Agreement many of them immigrated from Iran. They were considered as "ajam" in Iraq. The Massacre of Simele of 1933, was due to their fake Assyrian nationalism. The Syriacs and Chaldeans saved them from ethnic cleansing and this is how they repay them. They are much related to Kurds more than anyone in Iraq, this is apparent through their common mannerisms and nationalism, as well as their language, accent, and looks. Assyrians, please continue to disgrace yourselves, please, the more the merrier.

Actually Assyrians are not a minority in Iraq. Chaldean is only the name of a Catholic Church. You are mistaking the name of a church with a race of people. East Aramaic speaking people are all the same, same language, same, geography, same towns and villages, same DNA, same names. West Aramaic people are different, but even then, there are only a few thousand who still speak it around Melula.

Time to split?[edit]

I think the section about continuity claims is making the article disproportionately long. Would anyone mind if I move it to a separate article and keep a concise mention here?--Rafy talk 00:59, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Content removed[edit]

Upon reviewing edits made by User:Qworty, it was noted that he removed this quote in 2009.[1] I will leave it up to the active editors on this topic as to whether it should remain deleted or be reinstated. Content follows:

According to Dr. David B. Perley, one of the founding fathers of Assyrianism, Assyrian is defined as:

When a person is of Assyrian blood, he retains his birthright, self-esteem, and the heritage of his fathers. It is for this very reason that he may be called a Jacobite-Assyrian, Nestorian-Assyrian, Assyrian-Presbyterian, or Chaldean-Christian. Calling someone a Jacobite-Assyrian should be no more amazing than calling someone else an Irish Catholic. It is a mere matter of hyphenated description, not a hyphenation or division. A hyphen does not divide; it unites. The use of the term Nestorian-Assyrian is the simplest way of designating a Nestorian, who comes from, or who has, an Assyrian background. The term Assyrian is one single unity. The approach of this oneness of all Assyrians regardless of their religious adherence is through the avenue of blood, and through the majesty of common memories. Religions is a faith acquired and is changeable. Nationality is one's flesh and blood; it is his total nature. Even death cannot undo it.[1]

Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 23:38, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

  1. ^ Aprim, Fred (2005). Assyrians: The Continuous Saga (in English). United States: Xlibris Corporation. ISBN 1413438571. OCLC 58448793.  cited from back cover