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early modern period[edit]

This article discusses Sartre as being part of the "early modern period", but that term is usually used for a considerably earlier period. --Delirium (talk) 21:27, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Quality and relevance[edit]

The page is poorly written and would benefit from substantial editing. There is more opinion here than documentation and the whole thing reads like the essay of a first-year university student. Some of the material is downright questionable: Camus and de Beauvoir didn't follow in the vein of Sartre but independently arrived at similar ideas, which is how the three of them came to be friends in the first place. Camus did not feel that rejection of a god was a necessary part of the absurd, certainly, but he treated god's absence as a given: "His [Man's] exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land." To say that Sartre never experienced existential angst while Camus did is a very peculiar claim as I imagine almost everyone has experienced it at some stage of their life. Sartre was at times jealous of Camus, who was younger and more attractive, and who politely declined de Beauvoir's advances.

No Nietzsche?[edit]

He was a contemporary of Kierkegaard and provided the foundation for Sartre, Camus, and all other atheist existentialists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by X Trev x (talk • contribs) 01:53, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'd also like to question the entire existence of an article that covers "atheist existentialism": The principle figures mentioned are all covered extensively in the articles on existentialism and their own biographies, and existentialism is not implicitly or explicitly theistic simply because some of the early existential thought came from theists, so I don't see a need to seperately define 'atheist' existentialism. I don't see any part of this article covering material that doesn't exist in more advanced articles. So I was wondering if maybe it would be a good idea to either delete this page or merge it with another. I'm not going to start any process just yet, so that people who would like to defend the article needn't feel that it's up against the wall. 203.217.150.69 (talk) 04:44, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Many changes and improvements[edit]

To be honest, I mostly wanted to write about the work of Evan Fales, but found this page was quite poorly written and redundant. As a result I have made very many changes. I hope no one minds!-Tesseract²(talk) 21:14, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Editing Planned[edit]

I will be editing this page to add more information and provide citations. I plan to expand the sections on Sartre and Camus. I may also add a brief section on Nietzsche as well. I'm open to other suggestions as well.

Wikiriker (talk) 21:10, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed Changes[edit]

Major Edits:

Introduction - provide outline of what atheistic existentialism is not just in relation to its opposite, Christian existentialism. What are the key differences between Kierkegaard's and Sartre's philosophies?

Thought - expand in greater detail, perhaps make connections between existentialism and nihilism.

Major Works -

Sartre: expand more on his ideas rather than just a description of the novel Nausea. Potential edit for Sartre section: Jean Paul Sartre’s contribution to atheist existentialism was his idea that “existence precedes essence” (Salisbury source) The concept denotes the idea that the individual must exist and live to, afterwards, define himself and his existence. Inversely, man cannot define, categorize, or label (essence) himself without first coming into existence. Source: http://faculty.salisbury.edu/~jdhatley/101EXISTENTIALISM.htm

Camus: include more detail on what is meant by "the absurd."

Add to Major Works section - Simone de Beauvoir who is mentioned in the introduction but not listed under major works. Nietzsche who was a major contributor to the discussion of atheistic existentialism.

Minor Edits:

Provide citations where requested in existing article or edit according to newly acquired source citations. Remove or edit sections listed as original research.

Wikiriker (talk) 01:51, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed Bibliography (subject to revision):

Aronson, Ronald, "Albert Camus", The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Spring 2012 Edition), Edward N. Zalta (ed.), URL = <http://plato.stanford.edu/archives/spr2012/entries/camus/>.

Bergoffen, Debra, "Simone de Beauvoir", The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Fall 2014 Edition), Edward N. Zalta (ed.), URL = <http://plato.stanford.edu/archives/fall2014/entries/beauvoir/>.

Brown, Jr., Stuart M. "The Atheistic Existentialism of Jean-Paul Sartre," The Philosophical Review, Vol. 57, No. 2 (Mar., 1948), pp. 158-166. Print.

Crowell, Steven, "Existentialism", The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Spring 2015 Edition), Edward N. Zalta (ed.), forthcoming URL = <http://plato.stanford.edu/archives/spr2015/entries/existentialism/>.

Flynn, Thomas, "Jean-Paul Sartre", The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Fall 2013 Edition), Edward N. Zalta (ed.), URL = <http://plato.stanford.edu/archives/fall2013/entries/sartre/>.

Griffin, James T. "Existentialism: The Atheistic Thread," Philippine Studies, Vol. 8, No. 1 (January, 1960), pp. 75-81. Print.

Leiter, Brian, "Nietzsche's Moral and Political Philosophy", The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Spring 2015 Edition), Edward N. Zalta (ed.), forthcoming URL = <http://plato.stanford.edu/archives/spr2015/entries/nietzsche-moral-political/>.

Metz, Thaddeus, "The Meaning of Life", The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Summer 2013 Edition), Edward N. Zalta (ed.), URL = <http://plato.stanford.edu/archives/sum2013/entries/life-meaning/>.

Smart, J. J. C., "Atheism and Agnosticism", The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Spring 2013 Edition), Edward N. Zalta (ed.), URL = <http://plato.stanford.edu/archives/spr2013/entries/atheism-agnosticism/>.

Smith, David Woodruff, "Phenomenology", The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Winter 2013 Edition), Edward N. Zalta (ed.), URL = <http://plato.stanford.edu/archives/win2013/entries/phenomenology/>.

Varga, Somogy and Guignon, Charles, "Authenticity", The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Fall 2014 Edition), Edward N. Zalta (ed.), URL = <http://plato.stanford.edu/archives/fall2014/entries/authenticity/>.

Wicks, Robert, "Friedrich Nietzsche", The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Winter 2014 Edition), Edward N. Zalta (ed.), URL = <http://plato.stanford.edu/archives/win2014/entries/nietzsche/

Wikiriker (talk) 05:57, 13 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Recent Changes[edit]

I've moved some content around and played with the intro paragraph a bit. Please not that I also changed the heading for "Major Works" to "Notable Proponents" and will be adding a section on Nietzsche and perhaps Simone de Beouvior (pending additional research on her). I intend to address existing areas where citations are needed and original work is suspected. I also hope to add more bulk to the "Thought" section. Please let me know if you have any suggestions/concerns with what I am doing.

Wikiriker (talk) 05:56, 13 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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