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Replaced Pano[edit]

I replaced the panorama taken from Lykkabetus hill with one from the exact same angle but less choppy. Looks much better.

Please replace photos in toolbox[edit]

Please put a photo of acropolis (larger than the previous,aphoto of the area and the city's seal.Thank you.

Added a template[edit]

I created and added a Landmarks in Athens template.

Location of Athens[edit]

Take a look at the red point showing the loc. of Athens in Greece, correct it

Article of European Temp record re-entered[edit]

Why was this removed?Article re-entered,since its important to mention that WMO gives it officially to Athens.

Climate data[edit]

When I read the Climate section, I see the sentence "Mount Parnitha creates a rainshadow for the city, as a result of which precipitation is typically lower than in other parts of the Balkans; for a typical comparison, Tirana receives over three times more rainfall and Shkodra about five times as much."

I do not see the logic behind this statement. If you want to compare the precipitation of Athens, you should compare it with other Greek cities. To compare it with 2 humid Albanian cities does not make absolutely any sense, because the casual reader will get the impression that Athens is very dry place in comparison to the rest of the Balkans which is NOT true: Skopje, Sofia and Belgrade receive comparable precipitation with Athens (skopje in particular receives even less, although deeper into the balkan peninsula). Even inside Greece, there are other cities that receive less precipitation than Athens, so the comparison made in that sentence is NOT typical (not to mention also the fact that it uses only Albanian cities the one of which is relatively unknown). If the author of this sentence wants to provide comparisons, he/she should mention what is happening to other Balkan capitals, that shows that Athens is not typically drier.

Moreover, it is NOT mount Parnitha that gives the rainshadow to Athens. Not to mention that there is not reference to that sentence. So I remove the whole sentence for now and unless the author provides some more "typical" examples for comparison and a reference on why Parnitha casts a rainshadow, the sentence should be removed from this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.218.253.49 (talk) 12:13, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Katharevousa in lead[edit]

Why is Katharevousa "necessary"? — Lfdder (talk) 14:18, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Because katharevousa is a variety of Modern Greek officially used until 1976. Ἀθῆναι is to be found everywhere in older Modern Greek literature and is still sometimes used in formal speech either as Ἀθῆναι or more usually as Ἀθηνῶν. All these it is good to differentiate them from Ancient Greek. Dimboukas (talk) 22:38, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Αθηνών has been integrated into Demotic like many other Katharevousa words/phrases. Nobody says Αθήναι. Modern Greek literature is not particularly relevant in English WP. — Lfdder (talk) 23:07, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
You didn't comment on the fact that Αθήναι is still seen. Moreover, if we exclude it, we leave no clue about how the city was called between 1830-1976. Dimboukas (talk) 00:36, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
I did. Addressed under 'Etymology'. — Lfdder (talk) 00:47, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

The proper way to call the city of Athens is "Αθήναι". We say "η πόλις των Αθηνών" (the city of Athens) and "ο Δήμος των Αθηνών" the township of Athens. This is historically, grammatically and even ...ethically correct. It is true that in colloquial speech most Athenians for short and ease use the name in its singular form, but officially the plural is correct and should be used. After all in every language the city is referred to in plural.

Change of photos of the article[edit]

Greco22 keeps changing the photos (extensively) of the article. Now we had a stable version of good quality photos that depicit satisfactory Athens. For instance the cityscape photo is great, as is important as well the photo of the coastline of Paleo faliro (before there was not even 1 photo showing Athens coastline). Athens is not only museums and churches, it has also a coastline, the key element that diversifies it from other European capitals. There was also a photo from the important Planetarium (unique of its kind in Europe in terms of technology). Now this user, erases all that and adds photos like the statue of Theseus with aircraft contrails in the background a disgusting non representative photo called "panoramic view" with some comments on non-existence of greenery n'stuff (no citacion). I think we should reach a consensus before datum user can revert so extensively a stable version. Thanks.Astarti34 (talk) 20:34, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Feel free to add or modify , for example if you think Palaio Faliro is necessary put it. Or if you want to remove something. Do not revert the edit cause we added new staff (Btw the pics are of the top quality if you look commons)

To express my view... a statue of Athena, which locates in Athens is more suitable than one from abrod. The temple of Hephaistus is the best preserved of all ancient, the temple of Olympian Zeus also is a major landmark. Now if you dont like the fact that Athens dont have so much green spaces, what can Isay, remove it Greco22 (talk) 21:32, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

OK i'll remove some photos of yours and add some. Some photos you added are OK...but let's leave it to consensus to decide.Astarti34 (talk) 21:42, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done. Issue solved.Astarti34 (talk) 22:00, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Suggestion[edit]

We could create two articles for Athens (Athens for the whole agglomeration of Athens and City of Athens or Municipality of Athens for the area of municipality). Some topics such as mayors, administrative elections, city of Athens neighbourhoods, sport clubs in city of Athens and others belong to the article City or Municipality of Athens. --Odythal (talk) 17:53, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Piraeus, one of the largest ports in Europe[edit]

Currently this article includes in the intro [Athens] .... features the largest passenger port in Europe,[1][2] and the third largest in the world.[3] This is outdated, Piraeus was overtaken by other ports in the past years. I was advised to raise this one the talk page, so here it is. It should be changed into something like .... features one of the largest passenger ports in Europe. Reference to be used for this one: http://www.europeancruisecouncil.com/images/downloads/reports/CLIA_2014.pdf - p.10. This is an authorative recent source, it's a reliable statistic source from the cruise industry itself. The Spiegel article, that user:Athenaen provided, can not be regarded as an authoritive source on port statistics. It will be easy to find other news articles, or tourist websites that still claim Athens boasts the largest passenger port in Europe, but we should use a reliable statistic source, of course. Please give your objections, if any, fellow Wikipedians. 82.174.116.230 (talk) 17:48, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

The source you have provided only mentions cruise ship traffic. But as everyone knows, the bulk of the passenger traffic in Piraeus is from ferries to and from the islands, not cruise ships. Therefore the Spiegel source stands. Athenean (talk) 20:00, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
If you want to compare it in that way - I agree it is preferrable - Piraeus is beaten by quite a number of other European ports: after Dover, Helsinki and seven others, it only appers on the tenth place, see: Top 20 ports - Passengers embarked and disembarked in each port, by direction by eurostat. Spiegel source doesn't stand, also because just some Spiegel article should not be used for a specific statistical comparison like this one. Preferably use a statistical source, with all contestants compared in a fair way. Please be critical about what source suits what situation. Ciao, 82.174.116.230 (talk) 22:33, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
In case you haven't noticed, more sources have been added, whereas all you have provided is a dead link. Athenean (talk) 22:46, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for noticing me. This eurostat website is complex, one should make a bookmark instead of copying the web adress (which I did before). Here is the bookmark: [1]. Piraeus is not the largest passenger port in Europe, according to the most relevant governmental statistical comparison available. Please remove this claim, it's not proven at all. Kind regards. 82.174.116.230 (talk) 22:53, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
Just one source has been added, Athenean. Well, ref name="Weng2014" is not as trustworthy on statistical comparisons as Eurostat. It's always possible to find some source, that uses outdated or wrongly interpreted statistics. Why citing an author who specializes on environmental change (not the subject of the comparison, in any case), and is not our first choice in cases like this one , and not Eurostat? Looks like you're trying to find something that suits you. Ciao, 82.174.116.230 (talk) 23:04, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
It's always possible to find some source, that uses outdated or wrongly interpreted statistics. Nope. Your source is a WP:PRIMARYSOURCE while the reliable sources we provided are secondary sources. It is not up to you to interpret the primary sources. That's why we have secondary sources. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 23:20, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
That's not correct. It's not a primary source. It's an indepent source, neutral to all ports in Europe and a secondary source because they gather the primary statistics, check them and publish them according to their criteria, so no Eurostat is the author -> secondary. So, no primary character, I would say. It's also not original research, I have not been doing any research at all, I'm just checking the most authoritive website on this question. Ciao, 82.174.116.230 (talk) 23:25, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
Yes it is a primary source. It is a statistical agency which publishes raw statistics. Your interpretation of these statistics constitutes original research. The reliable secondary sources are the ones to be trusted with interpreting the data. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 23:33, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
Well, Eurostat relates data from primay sources, so according to our rules, it's not a primary source. But, maybe this one can convince you: [2]. Clearly, Piraeus is not the largest passenger port in Europe. And check this one as well, please: [3]. 82.174.116.230 (talk) 00:28, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
Your first reference calls Dover "the busiest ferry port in Europe". I hope you understand the difference with the phrase "the largest passenger port of Europe". The second book is titled "Wild Acorns", hardly a relevant publication, unless the topic is about nuts as opposed to ports. In any case even the nutty publication calls Dover the "busiest ferry port in Europe", which is completely different to the description used for Piraeus. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 01:15, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

References

Timeline of Athens[edit]

What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 15:19, 19 May 2015 (UTC)