Talk:Attempted murder

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Discussing how attempted murder relates to a fetus is probably a violation of NPOV because it implies a certain stance on the legality/morality of abortion Soulburglar 08:07, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Not at all. It simply demonstrates that the law has to define when there is a victim, i.e. that murder is the killing of a life in being. The law has no interest in who wins the debate as long as whoever wins it, defines the law with sufficient certainty so that it can be applied. David91 10:23, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Regardless of where one stands vis-a-vis the above two viewpoints, clearly the section on the "United States" in this article is slanted toward killing of a fetus and in no way constitutes a balanced, comprehensive discussion of the main topic. This section should be removed or at least edited for balance and relevance. soverman 10:02 17 Aug 2006 (UTC)

This whole article is unsatisfactory; argumentative rather than informative. It should be entirely redone.

What is this about really?[edit]

This page is NOT informative about attempted murder at all. It goes off on some serious tangents and generally needs to be scrapped. There is no introduction to the issues at hand only an head first plunge into some specifics. The section on the US covers a strange and narrow case which does not seem to relate to the topic. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 142.165.129.53 (talk) 07:59, 4 February 2007 (UTC).

Degrees[edit]

Might be worthwhile to include a discussion on the degrees of attempted murder (i.e. first degree, second degree...) Snottywong 12:55, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Jim Crow Law[edit]

I added in an important new fact, that attempted murder is now considered a jim crow law by the black community in the united states, and it was removed. Can we stop the vandalism? It is very clear with black leaders calling the Jena 6 case Jim Crow Laws that attempted murder IS considered to be a Jim Crow Law. Jim Crow laws are a blanket term for racially discriminatory laws, which have been around for much longer than the crime of attempted murder. Modern laws against attempted murder are very obviously directed at black persons. Look at the Jena 6 case, six African Americans arrested for doing nothing but trying to kill a white man. --146.163.188.235 04:37, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

That is very similar to my position on the matter, and why I reverted your edit. I certainly agree with you that racially discriminatory laws are at least as old as the crime of attempted murder, and I am not sure why people disagree on that point. They are certainly of similar pedigree in the Southern United States.

-TazerPolice 04:43, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

You guys hit the nail on the head. The Jim Crow laws, which were unfair, racially discriminatory laws directed at the newly emancipated African-American community, still exist today. The Jena 6 incident is a case in point; six students of color beat unconscious (i.e., attempted to kill) a white student because he was reportedly taunting them. Clearly, the unfairness of our laws corrupts the judicial system. Those noble students with chocolate skin had every right to commit murder; why they're now being prosecuted is beyond me. What's also beyond me is why the changes of the user slightly above me were removed. It's a known fact that in the case of individuals who trace their recent ancestry to Mother Africa, attempted murder is indeed a Jim Crow law.

--Smilingsuzy 01:06, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree completely. They have every right to murder the white devil child. Why they're be prosecuted is beyond me. It's fairly obvious that attempted murder IS a Jim Crow law. I don't see why this fact was reverted.

--63.228.235.139 02:34, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Editing[edit]

I just edited a few things on this page. 'Offense' was spelled wrong throughout the entire page. Overall, the article was good and I think that one person above was right about adding the degrees of attempted murder. It would give one more in depth information on the topic. Samanthalsh (talk) 18:31, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

England and ect.; 4th paragraph[edit]

Articles says that in euthanasia there would be no intention to cause a long lasting and serious injury. I would have thought that death is a long lasting and serious injury. James500 (talk) 13:13, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Artical biased twoard UK[edit]

This article does not address the topic very much out side of the UK (i has only one section consisting of only one section on any other country), and must be edited to express a world view. Cocoaguy ここがいいcontribstalk Review Me! 02:36, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

conspiracy to commit murder[edit]

I just created a redirect from conspiracy to commit murder to this article. Without coming up with a complete brand new article out of whole cloth, it was the best solution that I could think of (especially considering that I'm not sure it should be a separate article). I'm not at all certain that this is the best target for the phrase though, especially since it appears that there's currently no coverage for "conspiracy to commit" here. If anyone is up to either editing this article or the conspiracy to commit murder redirect/article, I'd like to encourage you to do so.
V = I * R (talk to Ohms law) 02:39, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

I have redirected the page to Conspiracy (crime).James500 (talk) 21:26, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Attempted murder suspicion.[edit]

I wonder if the following constitutes as an attempted murder?

A girl broke off with a guy, and got him really depressed. It was so bad, the guy almost felt like committing suicide. In this case, is it attempted murder? If so, how long would the dude in question have, to press attempted murder charges against the girl? I hope I can get an answer as soon as possible - I know who the potential perpetrator is. However, that information, I won't divulge. However, if the girl is guilty, I'll report her to the Police. Thanks, for helping me out. --208.96.121.65 (talk) 21:07, 2 June 2011 (UTC).

TINLA, but as I understand the law, this would not be attempted murder in most jurisdictions. Attempted murder requires that the person (a) intended to kill someone, and (b) actually tried to do so - e.g. in England and Wales, that they 'took measures more than merely preparatory to the commission of the offence'. Breaking up with a partner in the hope that they kill themselves as a result would not be enough. (If the other person then actually did kill themselves, this would not usually be murder either; although I am aware of at least one case where a man was convicted of manslaughter after his abuse and harassment of his wife drove her to suicide.) Robofish (talk) 12:14, 14 August 2011 (UTC)