Talk:August Hlond

Soviet army

When the Soviet Army overran eastern Germany in 1945, Cardinal Hlond expelled the German clergy and German population from the East German provinces of Pomerania, West and East Prussia and Silesia, which Poland and the Soviet Union attempted to conquer. In executing this plan Soviet and Polish military, paramilitary and NKVD trained civilians used brutal force against German civilians, murdering many outright or expelling and deporting others.

Cardinal Hlond ousted legitimate German administator and on his own installed Polish administrators.

I can not find any evidence that Hlond was involved in the civil administration. But I am still looking. --rmhermen

I have found one website that says Hlond joined the Poish government in exile in France in 1940. But the Polish government moved to Britain when France fell but Hlond did not. I find it hard to imagine he had civil authority or to imagine a Catholic priest ordering Communist troops.

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I cannot find online if Hlond hass been beatified yet. I found that in Jan 2001 he was not yet beatified but nothing more recent. --rmhermen

I wrote what I found under Kaller and Warmia talk --jhk

Accusations

It might be a good thing to make it clear that the accusations come from those directly affected. From what I can tell, Hlond's real crimes were against the Jews -- his removal of Germans from office may have been partially under pressure from the new government (remember, Poland was fortunate to be allowed to keep established churches at all), and also seems to have been partially in response to the behavior of some of those clerics, including Kaller, during the war. Any comments? JHK

Bromberg Bloody Sunday

JHK et al,

Please read Bromberg Bloody Sunday and outside link incl. a partial list of the Protestant pastors , who along with numerous other (ethnic) Germans were murdered by Polish authorities. This was done in 1939.

The expulsions 1944/45-50 continued the earlier started job of ousting none-Polish, none-Catholic minorities. Books by Alfred de Zaya (Terrible Revenge, Nemesis at Potsdam) and by John Sack (An Eye for an Eye) recorded numerous Soviet Polish-run camps and murders of (ethnic) Germans. user:H.J.

Two things :

Bromberg Bloody Sunday is another point of contention.

I understand that Poznan and Gniezno were in Germany before the WWII so the names should read "was from 1926 Archbishop of Gnesen (now Gniezno) and Posen (now Poznan)"Kpjas

Polish cardinals

I have moved polish cardinals into articles without "cardinal" because it is unnatrual (less than Cardinal August Hlondl). I ónly couldn't remove Stefan Wyszynski (I dont know why). Radomil talk 12:22, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Proposed move to August Hlond

I've removed this page's entry from Wikipedia:Requested moves due to a lack of consensus (and comments!) on the move. If this changes, feel free to add another request. --Lox (t,c) 16:11, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

This article is not well written. It deals with his historical effect on the Polish catholic church rather than the man himself, which is surely what the article should truly be upon.

Other issues

Apart from his controversial relationship with Jews, it would be a good idea to try and explain why he was proposed for beatification in the first place, because currently the article is too centered on accusations that were later filed against him. He was obviously persecuted by the Nazis during the war and by the Soviets after the war, and so he obviously had a lot of enemies, to the point of being considered a virtual martyr by many of his admirers. ADM (talk) 07:55, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Wartime role

"Hlond had always consistently condemned the Nazi persecution of the Jews." Can we have some evidence to support this assertion? When and how did he condemn the genocide of the Polish Jews? Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 11:01, 4 June 2011 (UTC)