Talk:Augustine of Hippo

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Name of article[edit]

Surely the article should go by the common name 'Saint Augustine'? Then mention the formal 'of Hippo' title? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.152.150.23 (talk) 08:35, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

The Real St Augustine[edit]

Its almost sad, but mostly repulsive that this article contains no images of the St Augustine statues or paintings that are found in the Vatican. Instead, this article shows artists' portrayal of what they wanted the saint to look like. The statue found in the Vatican and the older paintings, portray a man of color (and not from the smoke of candles staining the art).

Its very disheartening to rely on a source of information (wikipedia), when it clearly is not trying to represent fact, but distort it. This website, along with the article is a farce. The agenda is clearly to eliminate any idea or notion that any biblical figures could have been people of color. This website seems to strictly cater to, and is managed by bigots, not set on representing truth or fact, but to distort it in order to cater to an euro-centric thought of mind. The fact of the matter is Augustine was an African, as stated in many writings that date back over 1000yrs.

After reading this article, I will never use wikipedia as a valid source of information, because it is clearly the very opposite. And to those of whom who are trying their best to cover up HISTORICAL FACT, the truth can never be erased or 'edited'. Its shameful and this website should no longer call itself an "encyclopedia", but an opiniontive blog. I will do my best to discourage anyone from using this website again, much less "donate" to a website dedicated to bigotry and racial discrimination.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.32.6.117 (talkcontribs) 06:08, 5 November 2014‎ (UTC)

thanks for your thoughts. do you have any reliable sources (as we define them in Wikipedia here: WP:RS) that Augustine had dark skin (which I take it is your point)? I found this which states he was fair skinned. this source which seems quite good, says that he self-identified as African and even references Augustine describing himself as "an African, writing of Africa, or at any rate, with that flat nose you see in Africans", and descibes him as Berber. I will go ahead and add that to the article. I found some better images too, and put them in the article. Am interested to see what sources you can bring. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 12:18, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

I think it is important to use the oldest, most original depictions of the saints, and not the images created during the Renaissance era or later..... The internet is a very unreliable source to find factual information, but here are some links you might find interesting that supports my argument. http://www.unexplainedstuff.com/Religious-Phenomena/Christian-Mystery-Schools-Cults-Heresies-Black-madonna.html (concerning the madonna)

http://dilemma-x.net/2013/03/23/pope-francis-and-pope-emeritus-benedict-xvi-pray-together-at-castel-gandolfo-in-front-of-the-black-madonna/

Here are some links concerning St Augustine: http://www.josephitepastoralcenter.org/black-catholic-history-month/

http://faculty.buffalostate.edu/smithrd/PR/history.htm

http://professorjohnston.com/?m=201403 (scroll to the bottom of page to find St Augustine)

http://thealternatepath.blogspot.com/2013/08/st-augustine-and-miley-cyrus.html

I hope these images are deemed reliable enough since they have all come from multiple sources. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.233.34.172 (talk) 19:15, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Anybody can edit this article. So find some good sources and then introduce a section on his race if you want to, or change a picture and see if nobody protests. But keep in mind a couple of things: 1) Christianity is nonracial; no white or black or chosen, just children of God. 2) Most of the Augustines here look, not white, but Italian and French, because the artists were using local models, not because of racist revisionism. 205.232.191.16 (talk) 16:54, 28 November 2014 (UTC)