Talk:Augustus Tolton

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Self proclaimed[edit]

In the first sentence: "...was the first self proclaimed African-American Roman Catholic priest..."

I'm removing "self proclaimed" from the sentence. It confuses rather clarifies who Father Tolton was. What did he proclaim? He was an ordained Roman Catholic priest. He was an African American. None of those statuses could be self-proclaimed. Yesterday I asked the editor who added this description for his reasoning, (see User talk:Mbrutus#Augustine Tolton) but I did not get any replies. --tess 18:44, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Self proclaimed"[edit]

Dear Tess,

Sorry that I took a while. I meant that he was the first Roman Catholic priest to have declared himself of African descent, rather than having "passed."

Sincerely,

Mbrutus 14:57, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the clarification. --tess 19:15, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

St. Monica's[edit]

Dear Editors,

I have not found so much as a stub relating to St. Monica's or its predeccessor, St. Augustine's. If such a page exists, would someone please be so kind as to give me a link? If not, I believe that the creation of either a new article on the parish or a section of the St. Augustine's devoted to it would be a boon to the topic on Wikipedia.

Sincerely,

Mbrutus 15:02, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you have enough information, you can get started right here: St. Monica's Church (Chicago).  ;-) tess 19:17, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Servants of God[edit]

What's the deal with the Servants of God category? It's gone on and then off multiple times in recent edits. How about an explanation from both sides?

Canonization ELs[edit]

As the change I made here was reverted, I posit the following question: Why is it necessary, given that the canonization is mentioned in the article, to have either site in the external links when neither of them are used as a source. Furthermore, what do each of them provide uniquely that requires them both to be listed? Put another way, why does it matter encyclopedically that there are "two separate causes for canonization" when the final decision rests with neither diocese, but with the Vatican? MSJapan (talk) 16:33, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It matters encyclopedically because it is unique for a person's cause to be promoted by more than one diocese. This work should always take place within the diocese where the prodigious event happened, but in this case, Tolton's cause has been taken up by three dioceses (place of birth, place of first assessment, and place of second assignment). During this phase they will all work to gather testimony about the life and virtues of the Servant of God. --Wiki Comic Relief (talk) 01:10, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
However, according to this piece on EWTN, "the Bishop of the diocese in which the individual died can petition the Holy See to allow the initialization of a Cause for Beatification and Canonization." Therefore, it would seem that no other diocese other than Chicago can do so (and no other diocese officially did). Secondly, the information on the start of the process is already included in the article (and for some reason sourced to another source). So I guess I'm not seeing why it matters other than as a piece of trivia.
All that being said, the Springfield site has links to tons of online sources, and should probably be used as a resource itself to bulk out the article rather than as an EL. Chicago's site also has a downloadable biography, so again, it should be used as an inline source, not an EL. When a site is used as a source, we do not include it as an EL because it is already present in the article). So there's actually three ELs in contention (Springfield's site, Springfield's bio called "Father Gus", and Chicago's site), all of which should be used as article sources, not external links. I will leave them in for now until such time as I can go through them for information, at which point I will add them to the reflist and remove them from the EL section. MSJapan (talk) 01:38, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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