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White Actress?[edit]

As far as I can tell, this section:

"The actress Aubrey Andreozzi recently depicted her in a Thursday morning television program, Breakfast at the Firepit. She had chosen to be a "white Jemima," wearing only the apron and bandanna."

Is inaccurate in that Aubrey Andreozzi does not appear to be an actress, but a college student (only references to this name are this article and a facebook account.) Also, there is no record of any such television program other than its mention in this article. Deadseaturtle (talk) 09:00, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Gallery of Advertisements featuring Aunt Jemima[edit]

I'd like to add the following link within the main article. It shows Aunt Jemima as depicted in the advertising artwork of the 30's, 40's, and 50's and early 2000's.

http://advertising.tjs-labs.com/gallery-view?advertiser=AUNT+JEMIMA&op=AND&span=1000&sort=B

Please advise soonest.--Lionel.Mandrake 21:08, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I suspect this user to be a sock of User:Mycroft.Holmes, owner of the site. It's spam. Femto 14:21, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I disabled adblock and loaded the site in the link. Here, advertising refers to the fact that this is a gallery of ads, NOT actual ads intended to allow the site owner to suck profit from the victim browsing the website. There were no banner ads or any other such pollution on the website. Its not currently spam. Justify the original categorization of the site gallery as spam - has the content changed? Zaphraud 05:48, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
More examples have been added since the original post, but the overall content is as you see it now. In addition, examples of ethnic stereotypes used in advertising have been grouped together in this link. --Mycroft.Holmes (talk) 22:55, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Miscellaneous[edit]

Nancy Green was not the Aunt Jemima at the 1893 World's Fair, it was an unknown woman. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.168.41.108 (talk) 00:04, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

The line about her "actual" name being "Aunt Crunch" doesn't make any sense. "Crunch" is Cap'n Crunch's last name. I wouldn't call my Aunt Jane Smith "Aunt Smith", would I? Ξ

Wasn't Aunt Jemima from Canada? I heard she was a while ago. This article is well written, but reads like it is from the PR department. The controversy section is too small. GilliamJF 09:07, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I am fed up of people online saying "No! Not the name Jemima! THey'll get teased about pancake mixtures for their entire life!" Now, i do live in the UK, but i have HONESTLY, NEVER EVER had someone bring this up about my name. *sighs* There are LOADS of people my age (teenager) who are called Jemima so if you think it is old fashioned then HUH?? Got a problem. Write. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.148.1.16 (talk) 21:24, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Please, Aunt Jemima's kercheif wasn't that big of a controversy. CapoMafia 12:36, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Can someone delete the pointless line at the top, "Aunt Jermima is a fucking kike"? I attempted to, but as a newbie I couldn't figure out how since it's not on the text screen available; one of you Wiki-wizards should have no problem. (Or, failing removal, please cite a reference or source.) 4.142.228.254 08:15, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Re the statement She had chosen to be a "white Jemima," wearing only the apron and bandanna, but it worked well. Just who's opinion is it that this worked well??? I'd recommend that such bits of irrelevant personal tripe be removed. (I didn't think it "worked well". I thought it was goofy.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by BenStrauss (talkcontribs) 13:23, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Weasel Words, Sources?[edit]

"Many blacks" think this, "To many people" she is that. Also, where are the sources for the article? Sometime later I will come back and take out the weasel words, but it would be easiest for the author to cite the sources where he or she got them. KevinPuj 15:02, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Conflicts with Cream of Wheat[edit]

One article implies the use of African Americans as mascots/trademarks/etc. was rare in 1800s. One article says it was not. Although this article is better referenced than Cream of Wheat both statements could use references.

Roodog2k 18:03, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Aunt Jemima Depicted as a Slave[edit]

I'm not saying that the image was not racist or did not evoke a racist stereotype. But was it the intent of the company to portray a slave or a stereotypical servant? According to the article, the woman who was the basis for Aunt Jemima was born a slave. Thats one thing. But was there an intent to depict her as a slave on the boxes in the 1890s? I find this a dubious statement.

Roodog2k 18:17, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, later in the article, it quotes an advertisement from the 1920s (though without citation) that says she was a slave. So what of it? Zweifel 03:12, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
If you look at the gallery of old advertisements, one of them says that "back on the plantation" Aunt Jemima made pancakes. I think this is a pretty clear indication that she was advertised as being a slave. Pageblank 17:01, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
I've moved the reference [1] to the talkpage, it's a spammy link of dubious copyright status. Femto 16:15, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

POV[edit]

"While she has been made into a political figure, one must only dig a little deeper to discover the similarities we all may share with her, as people who must, from time to time, serve conflicting interests, in this ever more complex society. In the memory of Jemima, and others who shared her role or her name, we should all try to remember the humanity that inexorably links us all."

Wow. Whoever wrote that, I recommend you read what Wikipedia is not, especially Wikipedia is not a soapbox. This is not a personal attack by any means, but please keep these kinds of things to essays, and not encyclopedic articles. I'll be removing it. Stale Fries taste better 05:11, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Can someone please add this picture[edit]

This one is way better than the tiny one in the article.

http://img.slate.com/media/1/123125/123050/2156444/2163220/2164526/03_AuntJ.gif 1947 ad, courtest of Jim Crow Museum of Racist Memorbilia

What is the copyright status of this image? Wikipedia can't accept media taken from other websites without proper rationale. (See the Wikipedia:Image use policy for details.) Generally, replacing one fair-use image with another should be avoided. - By the way, you can sign your posts by typing 4 tildes (~~~~) at the end of your comments. Femto 11:57, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Real Historical Aunt Jemima[edit]

Wasn't there a true historical Aunt Jemima who helped organize a town in Wales against Napolian? http://www.valleystream.co.uk/invasion.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.247.244.198 (talk) 21:40, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Any Relation to Aunt Betty[edit]

It seems interesting that the English Aunt Betty Brand (Tryton Foods) covers a similar range of products as Aunt Jemima (flagship product is frozen Yorkshire Pudding - but also do pancake mixes), with a brand name which seems to combine the typically Black American old lady Aunt Jemima, with the typically White American old lady Betty Crocker, and come up with the typical Northern England Yorkshire old lady Aunt Betty.

If calling an elder black friend of the family Aunty is racist, then it's a tradition that was well and truly alive in the mostly white communities of the North of England in the 60's - although not for black people but for white - Hardly anyone I knew did not have an "Aunty" Betty, Annie, or Nelly - all of whom were inevitably old and unrelated.

Times change and we change with them - usually for the better I think

78.32.193.115 (talk) 18:28, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Logo?[edit]

Shouldn't the lead picture be the actual Aunt Jemima Pancakes logo instead of music sheet page of a song that inspired the name 'Aunt Jemima'? After all most product pages at least have a (current) logo for it as the leading image.69.132.221.35 (talk) 07:22, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Not encyclopedia material[edit]

"Aunt Jemima was so impressed with her owners kindness, she devoted the rest of her life to bringing the blood, tears, and souls of her people steaming hot to the rest of White America for the rest of her life.". This won't do. An editor could insert a pungent quote here instead, with a citation. That's how the rest of us have to do it.--Wetman (talk) 17:30, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

"She embodied an early twentieth century idealized domesticity that was inspired by old southern hospitality."

Author! Author! Creative writing excellence. Blondesareeasy (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:24, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Amusing. This article dwells somewhat on the perceived racism, as brought out by A. J.'s slave origins and therefore the "blood, tears, and souls of her people" etc. The reference to "Beulah", the TV show, is especially gratuitous; we are moving into Stepin Fetchit terrotory there, and it's endless. However, there's something A. J. has in common with Uncle Ben and Rastus that isn't mentioned: there's also a perception (which I suppose one could also call racist, since it's based on race) that black people are better cooks than white people. Whether it's true or not is not the issue if it was used to promote food through advertising. I'd like to see something about that here. It may be worthy of an article by itself; I don't see any article in the wiki about race (racial issues) in advertising (in general) after a brief look. I found things like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KFC#Allegation_of_racial_stereotyping but no general article... surely it's been studied. 72.179.53.2 (talk) 15:28, 23 October 2012 (UTC) Eric

Thanks, now that song makes sense![edit]

Remember "Mistadobalina" by Del Tha Funkee Homosapien in 1991? I never understood this line "...resembles Aunt Jemima", I had thought it was just made up by people who did not know the actual line that he rapped here. -andy 85.179.119.87 (talk) 16:24, 29 November 2009 (UTC)