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V8 Supercars 2007[edit]

After many years as a support act, the Australian Supercar championship put in a bid to have a higher priority for the 2007 race, with the possibility of being given pit garage space and thus making it a point scoring round for the Supercars. This choice was turned down by the FIA which lead to the V8 Supercars chosing to end their role as support race, leaving a gap in the support races for the Grand Prix. Many V8 fans see it as cuasing a serious indent on the turn out while the FIA and Grand Prix Teams make no notice of it.

Removed not true - http://grandprix.com.au/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&id=101 - Official Grand Prix Corp. Press release says due to conflict of television rights.

Most Wins - Lex Davidson[edit]

The infobox lists Lex Davidson as having the most wins. Should this infobox only include details for official Formula One races? GK1 06:07, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Posted on WP:F1 discussion page for wider discussion. -- DH85868993 07:32, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Regarding Bathurst Grand Prix Events[edit]

There were some Australian Grand Prix meetings held on the old Yale circuit in Bathurst, Yale was used before the Mount Panorama circuit was opened. There appears to be no mention of this in the article however unfortunately I don't have much information on these events. I will try to locate some further information and enter it as required. Virtualr84 16:29, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

The Mount Panorama circuit opened in 1938 and was utilised almost immediately for the 1938 Australian Grand Prix. Archival photographs and reports of that race clearly show it to be Mount Panorama. Or you suggesting that AGP's were held at Yale prior to 1928? --Falcadore (talk) 08:03, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

1994[edit]

Who sponsored the race in 1994? The article does not say so if any one knows who sponsored it that year please fix.Pattav2 (talk) 07:20, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

My strong recollection is that in the absence of a naming rights sponsor, the race was "sponsored" by the South Australian state government. I think it was either called the "SA Great Australian Grand Prix" or "Sensational Adelaide Australian Grand Prix". I'll try to locate my copy of the programme to make certain. DH85868993 04:25, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
The programme cover [1] indicates it was just called the "Australian Grand Prix". I don't count the word "Adelaide" as part of the name - if you look at the programme covers for the other races held in Adelaide [2] , they all have the word "Adelaide" somewhere on the cover. I've updated the article to say there was no naming rights sponsor in 1994. DH85868993 (talk) 02:37, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Notable Grands Prix[edit]

Are there any that are not considered notable - apart from pre-'85? Basically - shouldn't the articles on the Grand Prixs themselves carry this info? --Falcadore (talk) 01:06, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

I suppose all the races from 1985 onwards are notable but perhaps some are more memorable than others. Maybe the section could/should be retitled "Memorable Australian Grands Prix"? Certainly the individual race reports should contain the information which is currently in this article, so the question is whether it should be included here as well. DH85868993 (talk) 14:50, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
If it can be done, it might be better to have some prose which summarises the history of the event. The focus then is not so much on notable races, but on races that have affected the history of the event. The 1991 monsoon, for example - did that influence the move away from Adelaide? Does that make sense? 4u1e (talk) 19:35, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

First Formula 1 race[edit]

1987 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.168.164.133 (talk) 06:56, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

The 1985 Australian Grand Prix was the first Formula One race. DH85868993 (talk) 01:42, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Origins section[edit]

A proposed revamp - expansion of the Origins section which really skims over the pre-F1 history of the Grand Prix, I have written a replacement section and placed it here, as its a drastic re-write I thought I'd give interested editors a preview. At this point I have not added my references, but I do have a number of texts lined up for the purpose I just wrote the terxt first.

Any comments would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. --Falcadore (talk) 02:29, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

I think it's great. I don't have any improvements to suggest. DH85868993 (talk) 02:14, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Then up its goes. --Falcadore (talk) 12:24, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

1928 AGP[edit]

The assertion that Waite won the 1928 AGP "using the handicapped start to beat many faster, more powerful cars to the finish" is, I believe, incorrect. The 1928 chapter in "The Official 50-race history of the Australian Grand Prix" makes it pretty clear that the two races both used a mass start, albeit with the two classes separated in each race. But it was the fastest overall time set by Waite which gave him the victory. GTHO (talk) 03:16, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Adelaide GP needs major help[edit]

The part of the article about the Adelaide F1 GP is pretty bad. There's not much there, what's there is largely fluff, and the single source is dead. It already has a "needs expansion" tag, and now needs a source (or more). This was obviously a significant part of the history of the Australian GP. Can anybody help? (I'm not the right person.) HiLo48 (talk) 07:21, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

"Recent attendance" section - very POV[edit]

There is considerable controversy about how many people actually go to the GP. And from within that number, how many are not on complementary tickets and actually pay their way. (Most people I know who go get free tickets.)

The source for the most recent event describes the number as "estimated". No mention of who did the estimating, and how. It also mention a much smaller estimate from opponents of the race, but that figure didn't make it into the article. Three of the figures for previous years don't even have sources. By just listing the figure claimed by those who want the race to continue, we are taking the side of the promoters and fans, and ignoring other views. Not a good look for Wikipedia. HiLo48 (talk) 17:11, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Then remove all the estimates and just add the official attendnace figure. Simple. --Falcadore (talk) 21:48, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
That would take some restructuring to have it make sense, but I'll give it a go. HiLo48 (talk) 11:18, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
Deleting everything isn't "having a go" mind you. --Falcadore (talk) 13:10, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
I started looking at how much wasn't "estimated", and was from objective sources, and sourced at all, and all that was left was all that I left. How can what you have now reverted it to be justified? HiLo48 (talk) 01:29, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
I'm concerned about your own POV issues on this subject. First of all this is a list of attendances, it does not state paying attendance, just attendance. I should also point out that if someone goes to the Grand Prix for example on a free corporate ticket it is only free to the attendee, someone else has paid for the ticket on their behalf so they are in fact still paid attendee.
Secondly, I'm concerned you are setting an unrealistically high standard. We are not taking the sides of the promotors and fans. Sporting events all over Australia are issued by promotors. You doubt one, you doubt at least in theory, them all. Do you suggest deleting every crowd attendance figure in Wikipedia, or just certain ones.
Also as an at least partially govertment-funded event, those crowd figures do have to be justified. You deleted one figure published by a respectable newspaper without providing any alternative figures when all you have to do to satisfy Wikipedia is to add an asterisk or an (estimated) or similar. By deleting many of these figures it would seem you a pushing a point of view of your own.
Additionally, I did suggest replacing figures with official figures. Did you even attempt that? --Falcadore (talk) 12:23, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
If there's rubbish there, it shouldn't be there. So it should be deleted on sight. FInding reliable figures would be a good thing, but is hardly my job alone. And, figures such as AFL attendances are audited. Thay are reliably precise. They do not included tens of thousands of compllimentary tickests. GP figures are not audited. This IS a controvesial issue. We should not be including "claimed" figures from the promoters unless we describe them as just that and highlight the doubt and controversy. Yes, I do have a POV. The promoters are there to make money, not to tell the truth. Their figures are not reliable. HiLo48 (talk) 21:38, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
No other Australian sport outisde of the AFL audits its figures, so the point still stands. If there is "rubbish" it needs to be justified. Someone saying a crowd is 'estimated' is not proof of falsehood. --Falcadore (talk) 21:40, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Hey Guys, Sorry 4 opening a can of worms. Anyways, I see that the 04,06 and 07 aust stad refs were left behind in HiLo48's edit. I assume he/she thinks they are unbiased/reliable(whatever) sources. I couldn't be bothered re-referencing sources 4 the other years where the crowd numbers were the same from both sources. This is the link 4 the 04-08, 10, 12 years, http://www.austadiums.com/sport/results.php?sid=8. I don't know how they obtain their numbers but there it is. Personally the Aust TV and radio ratings is my biggest concern where 5000 people represent the nation but that's not this pg. The figures in aust stad are not exact but close enough, just like every other australian sport (except AFL as you say). It gives readers an idea whether the crowd is up or down and the approxiamte amount of people that attend yr to yr. If you're super-keen just put an asterisk 4 the whole section cos it's all an educated estimate I guess. But then you would have to put an asterisk next to a shitload more pages on wiki. Hope I didn't offend you in this post(as i'm new to wiki).Offfspring227 (talk) 07:02, 28 March 2012 (UTC)