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Request Edit[edit]

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There has been a good and robust discussion about what to do with this page dating back to early July. I think the discussion has reached its natural conclusion. There is (in my opinion) a reasonable consensus for renaming the article to "Defeat Autism Now!" and stubbing it using this draft. I wanted to formally request here that someone else make the edit, to avoid the appearance of impropriety that can occur from a conflicted editor making bold edits regarding contentious material (or give an editor an opportunity to speak up if they oppose). I have also provided some background on the discussion thus far below for reference, both for anyone reviewing my request and for reference as old discussion strings get archived.

Background[edit]

  • An AFD discussion was closed on July 25 as "no consensus" but there was support for trimming
  • An interim draft Autism Research Institute article was proposed on August 6th as a stubbish trimmed version, but the discussion had mostly opposes due to primary sources that emphasize ARI's point-of-view
  • To address the opposes, the primary sources were trimmed, leaving an article that uses only high-quality, secondary sources, which are focused exclusively on the "Defeat Autism Now!" program. In the resulting discussion prior opposes seemed supportive of the new proposal for a stubbed DAN article.

CorporateM (Talk) 14:11, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done It occurred to me only after I clicked the button that someone might consider me to be involved here... hopefully not. I think the discussion above is clear consensus on the rename. If someone has any concerns about my move, please let me know. I did not make content changes, other than to bold the mention of the ARI redirect as per the MOS. §FreeRangeFrogcroak 17:23, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Confirm outcome I have no opinion on FreeRangeFrog's involvement as I know nothing about it, but I confirm that the outcome seems to match consensus. Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:07, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
@Bluerasberry: Aside from having edited the article, I was the one that nominated it for deletion in the first place. Obviously I have it in my watchlist so that's why I saw CorporateM's request. Actioning it would have required an admin anyway, because it was moved over the old DAN! redirect. §FreeRangeFrogcroak 19:14, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Requesting discussion of redirect[edit]

Hi Editors,

I have just left a request at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion, asking for editors to look at whether the redirect for Autism Research Institute can be moved from this article to the "Autism Research Institute" section of (ARI founder) Bernard Rimland's article.

Since I work for ARI, I want to be up front here and discuss this with editors. While I've edited this article in the past, I will not be doing so in future and recognize that such edits are inappropriate. Due to this, I didn't want to add the redirect for discussion template to the article myself, so I'd like to ask if someone here can do that?

Briefly, let me explain why I'm asking for this change for the redirect: essentially it comes down to the fact that DAN! was just one activity of ARI and is not ongoing, while the organization continues its work and has changed its position significantly compared with its views when DAN! was most active. It seems that it would make more sense to have a redirect for ARI directed towards an article that gives an overview of the organization, rather than focusing on one (admittedly significant) aspect of its history.

Bernard Rimland's article has a section focused on ARI, which he founded, and it seems more natural to have ARI redirect to that. Of course, there could be a "hatnote" or similar link on that section that would direct readers to this article. This article should link to Rimland's article, too.

I'm curious to hear others' thoughts about this and hope that you will consider this change for the redirect. Please reply here or at the Redirects for discussion entry. Difulton (talk) 21:58, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done - I think it would have been ok for you to add the template yourself, since you were suggesting further discussion and not making changes to the content directly. But thanks for bringing this here. Ivanvector (talk) 23:14, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi All. As disclosed, I have a former COI with ARI. Previously I had written this draft of an article on the Autism Research Institute, which I trimmed into the current article when it appeared there was consensus to rename it to focus exclusively on DAN!. If there is indeed consensus for the article to be called Autism Research Institute more broadly, rather than DAN specifically, than that version should probably be considered as it reflects a more general focus on ARI, such as its funding, operations and the non-DAN! related methodology for evaluating autism.CorporateM (Talk) 20:14, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Suggesting information to add[edit]

As you can see above, I work for ARI and it was based on discussion of my redirect request that this page has now been renamed to "Autism Research Institute". Now that the page focuses on ARI, it seems like it would be helpful for there to be more information on what ARI actually is and does. Especially in the first line of the article, should this not be a description of what the organization is rather than stating something that it created?

Since it's best for me not to edit the article myself, here are a few initial suggestions for others to add. I've included links to sources to support each point:

  • Autism Research Institute is a 501(c) organization focused on research to improve quality of life for adults and children with autism spectrum disorders.[1]
  • ARI collaborates with organizations including Autism Speaks to provide continuing education on adult support issues, through its Autistic Global Initiative.[3][4]
  • The organization has also collaborated with The Cleveland Clinic Center for Continuing Medical Education on autism spectrum disorders.[1]

Thank you for considering these suggestions. Difulton (talk) 19:14, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

References
  1. ^ a b Outside Partners, Cleveland Clinic Center for Continuing Education, retrieved January 13, 2015 
  2. ^ Maugh II, Thomas (November 26, 2006), Bernard Rimland, 78; author was the father of modern autism research, Los Angeles Times, retrieved January 13, 2015 
  3. ^ Residential Course, Houlton Institute, retrieved January 13, 2015 
  4. ^ Daily Living and Residential Curriculum Project, Autism Speaks, retrieved January 13, 2015 
  5. ^ Brain Donation Offers Hope & Life to Future Generations, University of Maryland Brain and Tissue Bank Family Website, retrieved January 13, 2015 

I definitely like where this is going. The current state of the article is....well....not up-to-date! That can be fixed, and this is the way to do it. The DAN! stuff will become part of the history section, while the newer content will fill in lots of gaps and newer info.

Difulton, I would appreciate it if you would do the work of formatting the references. Here is a simple citation template you can use. It has the basic elements we need. You are welcome to use other citation templates, if you wish. Just copy the template and use it: <ref name= >{{Citation |last= |first= |date= |title= |publisher= |url= |accessdate= }}</ref> Give each one a short "name" that is unique. I like to use the author's name, and if there is more than one source from an author, I add a key word or two from the title. That's just my own way, and there are about a million other ways Face-wink.svg. Don't leave any spaces in the "name". You can use dashes. The references will then appear where I placed the code above. -- Brangifer (talk) 05:23, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, User:BullRangifer, this is really helpful. I have added in the citations above. Are you able to add in these details now? Let me know if there's other information that would be helpful for the article, I'd love to help make this a better page and hope you can stick around to help. Thanks. Difulton (talk) 18:02, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for doing the main part of that work. I have added some tweaks, mostly wikilinks, so now we can look at how to add this information. I'll start work on it later. Any others can also begin this work. There is no rush. -- Brangifer (talk) 04:18, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
Most of those references are primary sources. If something is not notable enough for a secondary reliable source to publish it is clearly not notable enough for inclusion in an encyclopedia. The LA Times article is a good reference and provides a couple of key facts. Most sources I have found covering ARI discuss DAN! that is what the subject is known for and what reliable sources have published information about ARI in reference to, thus it is the appropriate focus of the article. If other secondary sources can be found then perhaps some of the suggested content would be appropriate. - - MrBill3 (talk) 05:04, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
Yes, for some of the basic facts about ARI, primary sources are okay, but we'd need more secondary sources to flesh out the article. Until then, the DAN! material will make up the bulk of the content. What's missing is the basics about the current organization and its activities. Some of the above is good for that, since notability for ARI has already been established. The rest of the content need not be notable. -- Brangifer (talk) 07:25, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Some more information to add[edit]

As mentioned above, I work for ARI and earlier I mentioned a few initial suggestions for others to add. I’ve provided several links above – in addition, I’d like to suggest:

  • Autism Research Institute is a San-Diego based organization.[1]
  • In January 2011, the organization announced it had ended its controversial Defeat Autism Now! (DAN!) project and an online practitioner registry was discontinued in January 2011.[2]
  • In 2012, the organization disbanded the ARI Conference, changing its focus to online resources.[3]

Thank you for considering these suggestions. Difulton (talk) 20:29, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

ARI page versus DAN[edit]

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I had a COI with ARI about six months ago and wrote most of the current article-text. I noticed that a new consensus has emerged to make the page about ARI, rather than DAN! exclusively. As I mentioned here last month, I originally wrote an article about ARI last year, that I trimmed back to focus on DAN! based on prior consensus for a DAN! page. Now that consensus has shifted back to an ARI article, I think this original draft, while still heavily focused on DAN!, might be more reasonable as a general ARI page. It doesn't make sense to have an ARI page, that's really exclusively focused on DAN!, though it may make sense to have one heavily focused on it if it is the main thing they are notable for. CorporateM (Talk) 18:53, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

  • Yes check.svg Done. Really doesn't seem to be controversial. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:27, 10 March 2015 (UTC)