Talk:Automatic rifle

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Automatic Rifle/Light Machine Gun[edit]

Is the term "automatic rifle" synonymous with the term "light machine gun"? --Philip Laurence 12:03, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

No, an automatic rifle is a lightweight weapon, usually magazine fed, intended to be fired from the shoulder, hip, or occassionally from a bipod. A Light Machine Gun is a heavier weapon, usually belt-fed, intended to be fired from a bipod, tripod, or mounted. The Browning Automatic Rifle, BREN, and FG42 are all considered automatic rifles. In modern terms, the LMG has been replaced largly by the SAW. The Marine Corps of the United States intends to field an automatic rifle/LMG (perhaps the Ultimax 100) as there is still a need for a stopgap weapon between an M16 and an SAW. None of this is written in stone per weight, feed, etc. It's mostly a description of it's intended utilization.--Asams10 13:00, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Okay thanks. I was confused about the BREN being classified as an automatic rifle but had the LMG designation. --Philip Laurence 23:33, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Actually, the USMC considers the SAW to be an automatic rifle. I carried one for 21 months and my billet in the fire team during that period was "Automatic Rifleman".--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 21:25, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

For the history section, I might include that Manuel Mondragόn (Mexican Modragón rifle)designed in 1894 was considered to be the first invented automatic rifle in the world. He turned to Schweizerische Industrie Gesellschaft (SIG), of Neuhausen am Rheinfall, who agreed to manufacture the rifle. Aztrohawk (talk) 19:43, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Why is the SCAR the main photo? Why not BAR?[edit]

I take issue with the SCAR being the primary pic. First off, the SCAR has almost no history, being a new design. Further, even the -L version is closer to the concept of "assault rifle" than "automatic rifle", in terms of being a primary individual weapon and not a support weapon. I argue that the Browning Automatic Rifle would be a much more useful pic to put up. MatthewVanitas (talk) 02:50, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

This article seems to use the term "assault rifle" and "automatic rifle" interchangeably, I'm wondering if there's any actual difference between the two that justifies two separate articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.90.10.161 (talk) 15:40, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

This is a catch-all category. In the US mostly they distinguish between battle rifle (M14) and assault rifle (M16). According to Chinn's book on machine guns (vol 2., page 30), the British used to have a category designated like this, which also included LMGs. This article should probably focus on the more general concept and categorization instead of dwelling into details that are more suitable for sub-articles, like what's the latest bullpup introduced somewhere. Someone not using his real name (talk) 04:57, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Difference between assault rifle and automatic rifle?[edit]

This article seems to use the term "assault rifle" and "automatic rifle" interchangeably, I'm wondering if there's any actual difference between the two that justifies two separate articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.90.10.161 (talk) 15:43, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

An "assault rifle" is a sub-category of "automatic rifle". All "assault rifles" are "automatic rifles". However, not all "automatic rifles" are "assault rifles".--71.22.156.40 (talk) 21:41, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Clean-up Needed[edit]

This article desperately needs to be cleaned up. It is heavily U.S.-centric, especially in discussing gun laws, it's poorly written and not well sourced. I tried to fix the most serious problems in the introduction, but a lot more work needs to be done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.109.8.184 (talk) 18:46, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

I've added more pictures of non-US guns. The text needs work indeed. Someone not using his real name (talk) 18:55, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Addition of FN P90[edit]

I would like to open a discussion as to whether or not it would be appropriate to add the FN P90 to this article. I believe that the P90 is a continuation of the U.S. M2 Carbine branch of the automatic-rifle family tree. As such, I recommend adding the following paragraph to the end of the article....

Oppose and M1 carbine should not even be mentioned, either as the M1 and P90 do not fire rifle cartridges.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 14:11, 17 July 2013 (UTC)