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good sources/Rfc[edit]

[this] and [this] Notice that the editor who did all this is by far the top contributor to the article, with 350 edits. A great deal of what we have here is original research. There is a large group of articles at Iranica [1] its more neutral than what we have here. Also a good source is Goodman, Lenn Evan (1992). Avicenna. Routledge. ISBN 9780415019293. Retrieved 9 July 2010. 

Another (minor) point on his name[edit]

Where is says " or in Arabic writing Abū ʿAlī al-Ḥusayn ibn ʿAbd Allāh ibn Sīnā[2] (Arabic أبو علي الحسين بن عبد الله بن سينا)" the English doesn't correctly transliterate the Arabic. Either the English would be Alī al-Ḥusayn bin ʿAbd Allāh bin Sīnā or else the Arabic would be أبو علي الحسين ابن عبد الله ابن سينا .

They both mean the same thing, but they aren't the same name. I've never heard anyone say, for example, "Osama ibn Laden."

Adulthood[edit]

This is an extensive story of the working life of a major character, yet has been without references for 4 years. This is hardly good enough for the biography of a major historical figure. In fact, most of it and the subsequent section seem to be verbatim (or slightly modified from this by well-intentioned editors) from the 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica entry which appeared in earlier versions of this article (see history 2004). Should it simply be replaced with EB1911 text, or at least citations added to credit it? Chemical Engineer (talk) 15:05, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Added "Tajik-Persian"[edit]

I added "Tajik-Persian" instead of "Persian" since the two group of people (Tajiks and Persians) are, because of 18th century political-events, no longer the exact same people. Pluss that in articles about scholars and historical peoples from Iran articles tend to use the term "Iranian" instead of "Persian".

--Arsaces (talk) 22:51, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

I have reverted your unsourced addition, since all the sources for his ethnicity state Persian and make no mention of Tajik. --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:10, 17 February 2014 (UTC)


Tajik people are East-Persians and thus adding "Tajik-Persian" instead of Persian would be more accurate, given that Avicenna was born in the Eastern parts of the Persian world and given the fact that articles about historical West-Persians tend to use the word "Iranian" instead of Persian.

For only 100 year ago there was no significant difference between "Persian" and "Tajik", but because of modern geo-political events the two have different meanings now and thus "Tajik-Persian" would be more appropriate.

--90.149.188.205 (talk) 11:36, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Our own opinions not normally relevant, we should use what the most reliable sources use (giving due weight to conflicting sources where necessary). I'm also not sure I understand your argument, as based on what you're saying he would have been considered a Persian at the time, it's only if we are considering him using current terminology that it might be correct to call him Tajik-Persian. In general we would normally use the appropriate contemporary term, not the appropriate modern term. Valentinian I was born in Cibalae, modern-day Vinkovci, which is part of Croatia. No-one would ever describe him as Croatian, though. He was a Roman. Similarly it makes no sense to describe Avicenna using distinctions which were created centuries after his death. --Merlinme (talk) 13:39, 17 February 2014 (UTC)


Touche. A fair argument. I will not edit it back again. --90.149.188.205 (talk) 04:44, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

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