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Lake Chalco & Mudpuppies[edit]

According to various internet sources (including Wikipedia itself), Lake Chalco no longer exists . "Starting during the Aztec era and continuing into 20th century, efforts were made to drain Lake Chalco and her sister lakes in order to avoid periodic flooding and to provide for expansion. The only of these lakes still in existence is a diminished Lake Xochimilco." Furthermore, since the axolotl is an endangered species native only to Lake Chalco and Lake Xochimilco, I see it somewhat prudent to enter this information into the article on axolotls.

Also, why is the [Mudpuppy] habitat described under Axolotl Habitat? Call me crazy, but it seems a bit nonrelevent. I'll remove this information and place a note about mudpuppies near the article's begining. Hope noone minds too terribly much, but in my opinion it cleans the article up.

I haven't editted on Wikipedia before, so feel free to improve my update. Tlasco Rydrion 23:30, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Pronunciation and photos[edit]

How do you pronounce 'axolotl'? Also, does anyone have any photographs of a fully metamorphosed ('adult') axolotl that they could add to the article? 217.34.39.123 09:15, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

  • I think it's pronounced "axle-ottle". --Candy-Panda 09:16, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
    • Yes, and I believe it was Groucho Marx who said "I'd rather have an axolotl in front of me than a frontal lobotomy". Or something like that. --CliffC 12:37, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
    • I believe it's a nahuat (an aztec language) and the 'x' was used by the spanish to represent a 'sh' sound, as in 'shield'. If this is so then the first bit would be pronounced "ash-olottle".
Bingo, a quick search turns up this <http://www.kent.ac.uk/anthropology/dice/research/azaxs/english/project/glossary.htm>
"The word is Náhuatl (the language spoken by the Aztecs) and is properly pronounced "ashólotl".
I also believe that the 'tl' is a representation of a sound familiar in Welsh, where it is written 'LL' and pronounced as a kind of aspirated, hissy letter L.
It would be much better if a Nahuatl speaker could comment though.
jan Water pepper (talk) 23:35, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Um... yah. But we don't speak Classical Nahuatl last time I checked, we speak English. Here are the correct pronunciations to add (article currently locked). Click "Edit" for this comment to cut-and-paste the actual source code with links into article:

(IPA US: [ˈæk.səˌlɑ.dəl] UK: [ˈak.səˌlɒ.təl]) Nahuatl: /aːʃoːloːtɬ/)

75.36.151.138 (talk) 21:46, 2 November 2008 (UTC)englishspeaker

Who's "we" ? The creature's name is Nahuatl, so you speak Nahuatl when you name the animal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.11.36.169 (talk) 15:45, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Critically endangered???[edit]

Are axolotls really critically endangered? Because if they were I don't think our highschool science class would be allowed to have one as a pet. I mean seriously... --Candy-Panda 07:19, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

As of recently, I believe, surveys have been unable to find any living in the wild at all. They're still commonly bred in captivity, though. Aaronstj 19:38, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
What we see in captivity is the result of more than 100 years of selective breeding. Indeed, most of the axolotls available for use in high school laboratories are albino or carry albinism. This gene was "artificially" introduced into the axolotl by scientific experiments carried out by Professor Humphrey in the mid 20th century using an albino tiger salamander. This alone makes the Axolotl as we know it quite a distinct organism to the original wild species found in Xochimilco. -John Clare of axolotl.org, Mavortium 00:39, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
In addition, recent studies have shown that the "genes" (actually alleles) associated with neoteny are now fixed and linked in captive populations (meaning nearly every individual has all the neoteny genes). The genes are not linked wild axolotls - allowing more transformation and meaning that individuals may have all, some, or none of the associated genes. This is due to transformed individuals being removed from the captive breeding stocks for many generations, causing artificial selection for neoteny. LaurenCole 16:25, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
That's an excellent example of selective breeding. John Clare 19:35, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
"Endangered" means status in the wild -- not zoos, domestication, etc.

Aquarium keeping[edit]

Can somebody tell me what the ideal pH for axolotls are? I think that having the temperature up is good, but it's rather lacking in other areas (tankmates etc)

6.5-8PH, 7.3-7.6 is ideal. I have added this in the past but it has been deleted. Have re-added. -Sas

Metamorphosis[edit]

[1] 86.132.141.14 (talk) 20:22, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

References[edit]

I added a few references to start. The Ambystoma Genetic Stock Center at the University of Kentucky has excellent resources for this article and should be cited in the captive care and husbandry section.Enviropearson (talk) 16:26, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


Can the "this article doesn't cite sources" tag now be removed? Enviropearson (talk) 16:27, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Ajolote?[edit]

If this is an ajolote, then what is this burrowing creature?[2] I think it's a Mexican Mole Lizard? Should ajolote be a disambig? -- Kendrick7talk 05:45, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

OK, I've gone ahead and disambiguated this. -- Kendrick7talk 02:05, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Interesting facts[edit]

axolotl , a salamander , Siredon mexicanum, found in certain lakes in the region of Mexico City, which reaches reproductive maturity without losing its larval characteristics. This phenomenon is called neoteny; in salamanders it is apparently caused by certain environmental conditions, particularly a low level of iodine in the water, which affect the functioning of the thyroid gland. Axolotls are permanently aquatic, never undergoing the metamorphosis to a terrestrial form characteristic of amphibians. They grow larger than ordinary larval salamanders and develop sexually, but they retain external gills and a well-developed tail. The axolotl was not recognized as a salamander until 1865, when several specimens at the Jardin des Plantes in Paris suddenly underwent metamorphosis. After some experimentation it was discovered that when their pools were dried up most of the animals changed into the adult form. Axolotls will also mature normally if fed thyroid gland extract. The related North American tiger salamander, Abystoma tigrinum, often exhibits neoteny in the Rocky Mts., where the iodine content of the water is low. The axolotl has a broad head and bushy gills; its skin is a black-speckled dark brown. It may grow as long as 13 in. (33 cm). In Mexico City, axolotls are sometimes cooked and eaten as delicacies. They are classified in the phylum Chordata , subphylum Vertebrata, class Amphibia, order Urodela, family Abystomidae.

by Axystar 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Axystar (talkcontribs) 12:03, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Unprotection?[edit]

Can this article and talk page be unprotected now so that unregistered users can edit and make comments? We can quickly restore protection if necessary. --TS 20:08, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Talk:List of Pokémon (241–260) indicates that the Pokemon-related meme is still going strong in the wider internet(..?). I agree that permanent semi-protection is suboptimal, though. This article gets around a thousand pageviews per day, but does not see high editing traffic or a high number of contributions from many individuals. If at least two or three other regular editors also have this watchlisted, it might be worth testing the waters. Starting with just the talkpage for a week or two might be best. WP:RFPP is just around the corner if it flares up again. - 2/0 (cont.) 21:45, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
I've unprotected the talk page; I'm not so keen on the actual article itself however. -Jeremy (v^_^v Tear him for his bad verses!) 05:59, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

cock meat sandwiches taste like axolotls On the contrary to the Wooper comment, the Axolotl is more commonly known for its similarities to the Pokémon "Mudkip", which is an internet meme. 3mptylord (talk) 12:50, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Which is why this page gets semiprotected for long times because people trying to force the meme invariably come here as well to add it. -Jeremy (v^_^v Tear him for his bad verses!) 19:50, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

in literature[edit]

Why no mention of Julio Cortazar and Rene Daumal? 70.8.227.195 (talk) 18:06, 22 October 2009 (UTC)Ray

References[edit]

The link to yahoo news does not work. It says there is no such article when you click on it. Something has to be done about this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.240.179.226 (talk) 22:45, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

In contemporary fiction[edit]

Can someone please add something about Dr. Shrunk from Animal Crossing series being an Axolotl? 82.38.96.120 (talk) 21:06, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

(Well, I don't really like this new "protection" feature, because I've already contributed many times... Anyways:) Hungarian writer Antal Szerb also mentions Axolotl in his novel, The Pendragon Legend (1934, English translation 2006)).

"Roscoe’s unlikely will may account for the Earl’s interest in tropical diseases, but how to account for the tanks of mutant axolotls in the Earl’s lab? If, like Bátky, you’re up on mystical lore, then you’d know the significance of these salamanders to the Rosicrucians. (We’re talking real Rosicrucians here, the occult philosophers who may have influenced Spenser and Shakespeare, not the American copycats who used to peddle their books in magazine ads.) And from there it’s just another step to the resurrection of the Earl’s ancestor, Assaf Pendragon, and a sacrifice to the “Great Adept,” if you play your mystical cards right." http://www.forbes.com/2007/10/30/hungarian-horror-halloween-cz_rh_1031pedragon.html Arpadapo (talk) 21:08, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 99.129.142.52, 20 April 2010[edit]

{{editsemiprotected}} I looked up Axolotl because I think they are simply amazing. I noticed that there is a section on their page noting references in contemporary fiction, so I thought I might make a suggestion. One of my favorite bands from the nineties recorded a song called "Afternoon with the Axolotls" on there final album. It is my favorite song on the album and I don't know how many people would find this interesting, but Hum (the band) was quite popular back then. I just thought it would be a nice addition to the page.

Here is a link to the album's page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downward_Is_Heavenward

Also, Julio Cortazar wrote a famous short story titled "Axolotls", about a man who becomes obsessed with axolotls and eventually becomes one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.119.144.210 (talk) 00:29, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

If this is in any way an inappropriate request, I do apologize!  :) I've never used this part of Wikipedia. Thanks for taking your time to review my suggestion and thanks for providing such a valuable resource! 99.129.142.52 (talk) 16:20, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Looks fine to me - that section is not overburdened at present. Thanks for the tip. - 2/0 (cont.) 18:36, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Vilem Laufberger[edit]

All English sources endlessly repeat "Vilem Laufberger of Germany." Looks incorrect to me - Lauberger was Czech, and at the time of the axolotl research was a medical student at the Charles University in Prague. Will correct unless someone comes up with better info. —Preceding unsigned comment added by V.B. (talkcontribs) 02:39, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Poetic sounding sentance[edit]

Is it just me or does this more poetic than fitting an encyclopedia: "Lake Xochimilco remains a diminished glimpse of its former self" Can someone find better wording? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aether22 (talkcontribs) 21:15, 14 September 2010 (UTC) um I think it means it looks crap — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.68.167.206 (talk) 09:11, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Request for removal of misleading photographs[edit]

As a hobbyist with axolotls, I am EXTREMELY concerned about the photographs being used on this page depicting axolotls on gravel. Having very nearly lost one of mine due to impaction after their being on gravel less than a week, the thought that someone may come along, see this page and believe it is an acceptable base for an axolotl tank. There are numerous cases of impaction documented in the axolotl forums of caudata.org. I therefore request that those pictures are removed immediately, and that appropriate images are sourced from a reputable source such as caudata.org or axolotl.org as soon as possible. As to two animals in the photograph, I sincerely hope that thwy were among the few lucky ones. However, I strongly doubt it. Minniechild (talk) 01:12, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

I approve of this change. Albinistic specimens are also not representative of the species, and result in misled traffic (see Mudkipz) which vandalize the article. StevePrutz (talk) 17:42, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Thirded. 98.24.14.97 (talk) 07:36, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

digestion impaction of axolotl~how can i cure it??124.176.110.19 (talk) 19:22, 17 September 2011 (UTC)craig 17/ 9 /2011[edit]

I have a black male and a golden female axoltl .after noticing enlarged abdomen ,i read up on it and found they swallow stones /gravel..is ther anything i can do to help them pass them???i since have removed all stones from aquarium and reduced there food/blood worms should i just be patient and let nature do its coarse??i have found nothing on this subject help would be apreciated.

One Piece[edit]

An axolotl Zoan Devil Fruit makes an appearance, turning the user into an axolotl or a hybrid. Caesar Clown's pet Smiley 'ate' the fruit (or rather was a toxic substance infused with its ability). It is therefore a giant poisonous axolotl. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.125.181.44 (talk) 18:14, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Mudkip[edit]

I believe the Axolotl was not the basis for Mudkip, but for Wooper (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Otozwi9EWew/TqjARZceHwI/AAAAAAAAGkc/iAWJcKtfNec/s1600/wooper-totally-looks-like-axolotl.jpg) Mudkip however resembles a MUDsKIPper. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periophthalmus — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.181.94.141 (talk) 14:38, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Incorrect / Misleading Article - not found natively in only Mexico[edit]

Axolotls are also found natively (not introduced) in some lakes in the Western U.S. Axolotl Lakes in SW Montana are named for these creatures. Perhaps ironically, the Shosohone and Bannock peoples native to this part of MT speak Uto-Aztecan languages related to Nahuatl (Aztec), the from which of course the word axolotl is from. However, the 'edit' option for this page has been disabled, likely due to the bickering over pronunciation of the name and aquarium specifications, etc. ... trivial things, while a basic piece of information about the animal is neglected and cannot be changed. These animals are very unique but they are NOT only from Mexico. There are also lakes in the Rocky Mountains which contain them. Any source online will verify this. In fact the Merriam Webster Dictionary (arguably not the best dictionary, but it functions) definition of the word states that it is a non-metamorphosing salamander native to lakes in central Mexico and parts of the Western U.S. Amen. This is correct and this sorry incomplete article needs to be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.32.17.25 (talk) 16:23, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Agreed, this should be added. 98.24.14.97 (talk) 07:00, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Are they blind?[edit]

It says they hunt by smell. Obviously they have eyes, but are they functional?Superbuttons (talk) 20:52, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 April 2014[edit]

I'd like to add citations to the last paragraph in the Habitat and Ecology section of the article, specifically one that supports the description of axolotl feeding behavior.

Wainwright, P. C., et al. (1989). "Evolution of motor patterns: aquatic feeding in salamanders and ray-finned fishes." Brain, behavior and evolution 34(6): 329-341.

AMANITA-BISPORIGERA (talk) 17:18, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Mz7 (talk) 21:00, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 May 2014[edit]

The 4th paragraph states that the Axolotl is extinct in the wild, however the conservation status of the Axolotl is shown to be critically endangered, not extinct in the wild. These separate statements seem to contradict each other. Maybe one of these needs to be changed. 94.2.119.236 (talk) 17:37, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Unfortunately there's a bit of a terminology issue there. That paragraph does seem to imply extinction in the wild, but a species is not considered to be "Extinct in the Wild" until it has been designated as such on the IUCN redlist. Somebody's study that they didn't find any is probably worth including in the article, but does not change the overall conservation status of the Axolotl. --ElHef (Meep?) 18:02, 15 May 2014 (UTC)