Talk:Ayutthaya Kingdom

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Disputed[edit]

Upon inspection, the List of rulers of Ayutthaya section seems to contradict with most Thai sources. This revision from a few years back, just before information from Wyatt's was incorporated, seems to agree with those Thai sources, including the Thai Wikipedia. Paul_012 (talk) 07:30, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

However I don't think that Wyatt made up his version of the list without solid foundations. Given that there are various versions of the Royal Chronicles, each copy to new palm leaves could insert errors, or invited later kings to "correct" the history a bit, and many lost in the sack of Ayutthaya by the Burmese, it's no wonder that different scholars come to different lists. It might make sense to work out the most striking differences between Wyatt's list and the traditional Thai lists. To find the actual reason for the difference would mean to search in the journals for publications of Wyatt and other scholars in Thai studies, and would be IMHO beyond the scope of this article. andy (talk) 12:11, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
The Siamese kingdom that truly controlled Lan Na and Lan Xang (its successors Luang Prabang and Vientiene) was Bangkok Chakri. Not Ayuuthaya. Ayutthaya never controlled the Burmese Shan States, the Chinese Shan States, Lan Xang, or Champa. The disappearance of Champa was really an affair between the Khmer Empire and Annam. Ayutthaya was never strong enough to impose its will beyond the central Menam valley. Lan Na did become a vassal to Ayutthaya during Naresuan's reign (when the Burmese viceroy of Lan Na allied with Naresuan) but lapsed back to Burmese control in 1615, 10 years after Naresuan's death. Hybernator (talk) 18:43, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

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Quoted from Project India's page: "The India WikiProject is a group dedicated to improving Wikipedia's coverage of topics related to the Republic of India and the history of the Indian subcontinent." Therefore, the link to Project India has been removed.

Wiki vandals[edit]

This revision is vandalism. 16:07, 26 February 2007 205.222.248.109. Random word changes from previous version.

Other Subsection Under History[edit]

I am deleting the "Other" subsection under "History". The information contained there in is either irrelevant (the story about the Korean princess visiting the city of Ayodhya in India, not Ayutthaya in Thailand) or already stated (Ayodhya as the source of Ayutthaya's name). --Harel Newman 03:33, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Trailokanat[edit]

The reforms of Trailokanat need to be consolidated in to one section, but I've bee sitting here too long! --Pawyilee (talk) 15:29, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Check accuracy[edit]

I wonder if the text "until the Burmese invasion caused the total collapse of Ayutthaya's economy in 1788." in the Economic development is accurate or not. The year 1788 is after than the fall of the kingdom (1767) and I can't find text in the reference given talking about this. --223.206.180.101 (talk) 07:49, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Ming China and Malacca and Thailand[edit]

Ming China warns Ayutthaya (Thailand) from attacking Malacca and frees Malacca from Thai vassalage

http://books.google.com/books?id=vIUmU2ytmIIC&pg=PA176#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=aU5hBMxNgWQC&pg=PA198#v=onepage&q&f=false

Page 24

In the beginning years of the Ming Dynasty, Siam was so strong that it inaugurated aggresive wars toward its nighboring nations. Those nations asked China for help. Thus Ming Ch'eng-tsu interfered. The first thing he did was to send an imperial mandate to reproach the Siamese King. Then in 1408 the court eunuch Cheng Ho (SPftl) went to Siam. In 1409 Siamese King ...

http://books.google.com/books?id=54hwAAAAMAAJ&q=Those+nations+asked+China+for+help.+Thus+Ming+Ch'eng-tsu+interfered.+The+first+thing+he+did+was+to+send+an+imperial+mandate+to+reproach+the+Siamese+King.&dq=Those+nations+asked+China+for+help.+Thus+Ming+Ch'eng-tsu+interfered.+The+first+thing+he+did+was+to+send+an+imperial+mandate+to+reproach+the+Siamese+King.&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6HBgUc6uDfPk4AO924GYBg&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA

Rajmaan (talk) 22:21, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Formatting FUBB[edit]

This page as last modified on 22 February 2013 at 12:54 was formatted correctly. Don't know why it is fouled up beyond belief, now.--Pawyilee (talk) 14:18, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Absolute monarch[edit]

Ayutthayan monarchs were not absolute monarchs whose powers are not limited by a constitution or by the law, but aspired to be Chakravartin. They did not pass laws but ordinances.

Royal ordinances were collectively known as the Rajasat, a term that might be rendered as 'King's Lore' as distinct from the Thammasat, the 'Inspired Lore,' which was the work supposedly of a superior agency, a Constitution in fact which was not to be tampered with even by the highest in the land. See Prince Dhani Nivat, Kromamun Bidyadabh (1947). "The Old Siamese conception of the Monarchy". Journal of the Siam Society (Siamese Heritage Trust). JSS Vol.36.2b (digital): image 8. Retrieved March 7, 2013. 

If anyone has a citation calling them absolute monarchs, let it be included, then refuted by Dhani. --Pawyilee (talk) 14:39, 9 October 2013 (UTC)