Talk:B'Elanna Torres

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B'Elanna's age when joined Maquis[edit]

In section Starfleet Academy and Maquis, it stay she joined 4 year after 2368 which made her 23 years old. I am not sure how User:94.3.185.11 get year 2070.. --RayYung (talk) 20:14, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Someone keeps editing B'Elanna's birthdate despite the evidence to prove her birth year and age. They also keep changing her name to 'B'Elanna Torres Paris'. Not once in the series was she referred to as B'Elanna Torres Paris. Even if she was, adding 'Paris' to her surname would be a spoiler for fans just finding the series. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.195.18.253 (talk) 12:14, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Talking about spoilers.. It'd be nice to warn that the entry contains spoilers, I didn't want to know that she's getting married to paris, now that whole storyarch is ruined. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.68.146.169 (talk) 11:51, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Provisional Rank[edit]

In the dialogue of the episode, Torres and Chakotay are both given a provisional rank while Paris was field commissioned to Lieutenant, junior grade. They even wore different insignia. I move for keeping the line "she was given provisional rank of Lieutenant". Also see Starfleet ranks and insignia --RayYung (talk) 13:53, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Which episode are you refering to exactly as the term of provisional rank would mean that it would not be a permanent arrangement even though they were possibly marooned in the Delta Quadrant for several decades?

Field commission is a better more accurate description unless you can prove any reference to your preferred term.

Regards

msa1701 (talk) 14:03, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Field commissions (more commonly known as brevets) are temporary promotions given to commissioned officers. As the Maquis were not commissioned officers to begin with but ex-Starfleet/non-Starfleet altogether, provisional makes more sense. --Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 14:08, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
They are clearly not field commissions; Riker in "The Best of Both Worlds" was field-promoted to Captain and wore full Captain's pips, and as noted Paris was also field-promoted and wore the appropriate pips. Only the Maquis officers wore the unique rank insignia, thus indicating that their commissions were not standard field commissions. Whether they were ever called "provisional" ranks in official sources is unknown to me. Powers T 14:37, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Then where does the proof of their ranks being called "provisional" exist?

Janeway also wanted the new Maquis crew to work with the Starfleet personel and in the episode "Learning curve" Tuvok was instructed to bring Maquis crew up to Starfleet standards, he stated that Chakotay would be better for the job but Janeway informed him that the Starfleet officers needed to earn their respect. In the episode when Torres becomes chief engineer, Chakotay argues the reason for her being right for the job and how do Maquis crew earn promotion in rank but it is never fully explained how the Maquis rank system works in the first place???

The other thing is that Paris was given the field commission and he was ex Starfleet so he had pips added to his coller - Chakotay was also ex Starfleet and had been a lieutenant Commander - so why did he not recieve pips as well?

Regards

msa1701 (talk) 17:31, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

The answer to your last question is simple -- because the commissions the two officers received were not the same type. Powers T 17:57, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Page 211 of my Star Trek Encyclopedia identifies the insignia Maquis crewmembers wear as "provisional officers' rank pin-on devices". I agree with the "provisional rank" is more accurate than "field commission" -- but caution that basing this on an extrapolation from Riker's field commission in TBoBW is original research. --EEMIV (talk) 23:18, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but of the very mildest possible sort. =) Powers T 01:38, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

My impression is that the difference is simply that at the time of Janeway attempting to merge the two crews, Chakotay and Torres were ex-Starfleet personnel, while Paris was a current (if disgraced) member of Starfleet who'd been in a Starfleet prison and came to Voyager as a Starfleet observer. It was therefore straightforward to promote Paris in the normal manner, but all of the Marquis people, whether or not they had ever been Starfleet cadets/officers, had to be given some sort of provisional/semi-official/contingent rank because there is no mechanism on board by which they can achieve the official status even of cadets. Their previous Starfleet experience, if any, merely influenced how high Janeway thought they could be placed in the hierarchy. The Gilly (talk) 09:11, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Biased language issues[edit]

I notice that some of the phrasing in this article lacks impartial tone, and inflects opinion, reducing its quality as an encyclopaedic entry. I'd argue that this goes against the Wikipedia guidelines regarding neutral points of view.

Example:

B'Elanna has a near-death experience and travels to Grethor, the Klingon Hell, where she meets her mother, Miral, and discovers that because of the dishonor B'Elanna has caused her family, her mother would spend eternity in Grethor. The episode not only explores some fascinating aspects of B'Elanna's character, but it also gives further insight into Klingon mythology.

Use of the word 'fascinating' is a term of opinion, and not suitable towards an encyclopaedic material. I would change this myself, however I admit that I am far from a big enough trekkie to make an informed edit. Anybody care to step in? Rohaq (talk) 21:22, 11 August 2013 (UTC)