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Is that the logo of the BBC News on the top of the article page. I watch it frequently and I don't think that's the logo as I have never seen it in use before. The image on the 2000s section looks far closer to the logo to me. Ross Rhodes (T C) Sign! 10:43, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- If you are comparing File:BBC_News.svg with File:BBC News at Ten.JPG, then the logos are correct and are the same, BBC News used either the linear or the boxed BBC News logo, since 2008 the box logo is in use on idents and promos. -- [[ axg ⁞⁞ talk ]] 11:11, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- This review is transcluded from Talk:BBC News/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
To be perfectly frank, I can see multiple issues with this from just a quick glance. Another reviewer could easily quick fail this. However, I'm not that kind of reviewer. I'm sorry if the following sounds like a list of problems, but it;s difficult to fix issues you;re not aware of.
- My gravest concern is the images. They are almost all non free and I'm sure that many of them violate at least one of the Non Free Content Criteria. The number of these images may need to be slashed so we're left with only the images that significantly contribute to the reader's understanding.
- The lead needs expanding per WP:LEAD. It's currently ~130 words but the article as a whole is ~6,000. it should provide a concise summary of the article's contents
- You don't need 2 hatnotes- the could be combined into one or the reader directed to the dab
- Vast chunks of the article lack any references whatsoever. At minimum, you should be looking at one ref per paragraph and for every controversial fact or direct quote
- Comment on above note: I don't think this is an issue anymore. I added some more references as well
- The citations almost all lack information on work, author, publisher and publication date
Although it doesn't meet the GA criteria as it is, I'm happy to leave this review open for as long as it takes to bring it up to scratch provided that there is an effort to address my concerns. I'll watchlist this page and the article, but I canbe reached on my talk page or by email if you want my attention and I missed the edit here. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:08, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for taking the time to have a look at the article and complete your review. The issues you've raised will be worked on to help get this article to GA status. I'll start with the images - there's a few free images that could be used in place of the fair use. The reason the fair use images are there is that they illustrate the history of BBC News, though looking at it I think they could be used in their respective linked-to articles. Cloudbound (the new name for Wikiwoohoo) (talk) 20:15, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
- I like the images and I think may of them are useful. Unfortunately WP disagrees with me. I'd be happy if you left the ones that genuinely help the reader's understanding, but the NFCC say we have to keep them to a minimum. Let me know if you need anything from me (I'm more than happy to help if I can), otherwise I'll check back in a day or two. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 11:29, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
I took a brief look at this article while waiting for my own Media and Journalism article to be GA reviewed, and agree that sourcing is a major issue in this article. There isn't a single reference in the section BBC_News#1950s, and there are a dozen or more additional paragraphs without any citations. This is a very worthy topic, though, and IMO it shouldn't be quick-failed unless work improving it stops. Firsfron of Ronchester 04:45, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
- My thoughts exactly. I much prefer to leave an article on hold for a long time to get it to GA status than to quick fail it. This is my 21st review and I've never failed one yet. I don;t intend to start here, especially since the topic undoubtedly is worthy. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 09:09, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
I've already changed many of the images in favour of freely available ones, and have just expanded the lead section and added an infobox. Next step really is finding additional citations. Cloudbound (talk) 21:30, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
While I realise that some progress has been made since I initiated the review, I'm afraid I don't feel this could be brought up to GA standards in a reasonable time frame and so I feel I have no choice but to fail it. That said, at least you can work on the issues at leisure without having the pressure of a GAN and renominate it when it's ready. I'd be happy to offer my services as a reviewer again when this has been improved and I'd be happy to provide you with an informal review if towards eventual GA status to keep you focused if you want, but, much as I would like to I can't leave the review open indefinitely. My talk page is always open if you want any help or advice and I'll keep it on my watchlist. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:55, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
Would it be a good idea to include a new section with a list of BBC News main presenters? It could include the main presenters of Breakfast, 1, 6, 10, Weekend etc as many of these are well respected journalists; it would be a good idea to indicate they work for the BBC. it may also be an idea to link in the BBC's correspondents, such as Robert Peston, Rory Cellan Jones, Nicholas Witchell, Nick Robinson, Will Gompertz, Stephanie Flanders, Hugh Pym etc. Some info is already available at List of BBC newsreaders and reporters so this should at least be linked into the article. Rafmarham (talk) 21:45, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
- I fixed it to say it has correspondents in "almost every country" but that still doesn't completely sound right. Any ideas? Freedom to share (talk) 13:57, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- There is a list of the worldwide newsrooms owned by the BBC on the List of BBC properties page, sourced from a FOI request. While this doesn't list the countries where reporters are active, it can give an indication and can be used instead.
I strongly oppose the merger of the articles BBC Weekend News and BBC News Summary into this article. (BBC News Special is a different case - I've never really seen the point in that article). The Weekend News and Summary are both stand alone bulletins and are advertised as such in the same fashion as the BBC News at Ten is. They each have their own presenters and rotas as well, each of which deserve documentation. Furthermore, as they both have their own style, distinct from other bulletins. Uvghifds (talk) 15:38, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
- I agree. Although I think that both pages need significant reworking (especially the Weekend News page) if/when they are saved. Aw16 (talk) 19:06, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
I also oppose the merger of BBC Weekend News. However, the 'specials' page is pointless since it's usually just a simulcast of the News Channel nowadays. Also, the 'Summary' page is redundant too now. All the summaries have been scrapped except the 8pm edition, the only significance of these rotas are covered on the List of BBC newsreaders and reporters page. Surely a few sentences expanding on the summary in the history section of this page is sufficient for one summary to be covered? So in summary, Keep BBC Weekend News but Merge/Delete BBC News Special and BBC News Summary. Bbbnbbb (talk) 17:49, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
Now correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the Sunday Politics broadcast from Broadcasting House rather than Millbank. The studio looks like the same one used for The Andrew Marr Show & Newsnight — Preceding unsigned comment added by Will1701 (talk • contribs) 18:49, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
Alleged political bias
There is probably enough already about alleged political bias, but in case anybody thinks more should be added, this may be a useful source from the Left: It's the BBC's rightwing bias that is the threat to democracy and journalism, Owen Jones, 17 March 2014. – Fayenatic London 18:37, 17 March 2014 (UTC)