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Inconsistencies[edit]

In the "Absolut" page Bacardi is the second most popular spirit brand, (as Smirnoff is the first), where as on the Bacardi page it is apparently the forth most popular does anyone have a source? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.8.138.110 (talk) 17:42, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Heritage[edit]

I have a stupid question, why do the bacardi bottles say Puerto Rican Rum when all the article talks about is its Cuban heritage? Why don't they explined its new Puerto Rican heritage just like it touched a tad on the Spanish heritage, before Mr Bacardi started the business in Santiago de Cuba.

I added a "heritage" tag so that your question wouldn't be way above the table. I believe your answer might be that if it was sold as "Cuban" rum, it would be illegal in the U.S. Don't quote me on it, but it's a guess. Zchris87v 04:52, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
You are looking too deep into it, the only reason behind that is because is completely produced in Puerto Rico, at the moment Cuba has no Bacardi distillery on it labeling it as such would be a lie whenever or not the company was founded there. - 04:57, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

It seems logical to also call it Puerto Rican Rum since all the newer rums that have been created by Barcardi in Puerto Rico are born Puerto Rican Rums or born within Puerto Rico, although the company had its origins in Cuba. If a Cuban had a son born in Puerto Rico his son doesn't continue to be Cuban, that son is now Puerto Rican, just like Bacardi is not Catalan or Spanish Rum just because Facundo Bacardi was born in Spain. The Bacardi family already had a history of cultivating vineyards in Spain before coming to Cuba, all they did in Cuba was change direction from wine vineyards to rum sugar-cane cultivation they were already working with the basics in Spain. Who knows, maybe for Spain, Bacardi, is actually their heritage and they are retelling this same story from there historical point of view. The fact is that this article is POORLY, POORLY, POORLY written and is not giving credit where credit is due. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.11.194.130 (talk) 16:07, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

It isn't poorly written, it's just incomplete as the history stops at 1959. Instead of complaining, why don't you write up something about the last 50 years? I would welcome this addition. The less corporate propaganda and the more historical fact, the better. Rees11 (talk) 19:18, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

This Rum stopped being Cuban long ago, as it also stop being Spanish before that. Its has no connection with Cuba. Now this Rum is 100% Puerto Rican. Thats where its made. This is why its label indicates "Puerto Rican Rum" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.200.5.41 (talk) 20:11, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

The rum can not stop being Cuban history can not be altered. It was born in Cuba it doesn't matter where it moves to it will always be Cuban. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.219.157.25 (talk) 23:33, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

You would just need citations to back up all of that. My name is Mercy11 (talk) 02:34, 4 February 2012 (UTC), and I approve this message.

Ron Bacardi?[edit]

Uh, can someone please vouch for the sentence that says the company came under the leadership of Mr. Ron Bacardi? I think this might be a misunderstanding, since "Ron Bacardi" means "Bacardi Rum" in Spanish. I actually went to the factory in Puerto Rico, heard no mention of a guy named Ron Bacardi, and watched my friend make this very mistake.

It seriously just means "Bacardi Rum", people. "Ron" is Spanish for "Rum". Can someone please check on this?

Ron is Rum in spanish, I am from Puerto Rico Trustme Eljohnson15 01:18, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

If you are born in Cuba and then move to Puerto Rico that doesn't make you a Puerto Rican. Bacardi rum is also made in Mexico. So it is a Puerto Rican Rum as much as it is a Mexican rum according to the previous logic. The rum was made and created originally in Cuba so no matter what you want to call it, I believe that it is a Cuban rum. The new products can now be called Puerto Rican or Mexican but the original rum was and always will be Cuban. Facts are facts and the rum was originally born in CUBA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.219.157.25 (talk) 23:29, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Direct Linking[edit]

Removed the link to the image. It is the convention around here that an inline image is regarded to have been incorporated on the page, and thus a potential violation of copyright and trademark law. Therefore, we've got to remove it. If you want to continue the debate, please thrash it out here before replacing it. --Robert Merkel

http://www.bacardi.com/images/art/items/batdevice/batdevice3-1.gif

====[edit]

OK. Thanks for the explanation. Far be it for me, a humble newbie, to try to disrupt the culture that's already established. I was hoping to get a pointer to a longer debate on this issue as I'm sure others before me have hashed this out already. I must say, at first blush, I heartily disagree with this policy. In fact, I find it somewhat absurd. I've never been a fan of any site anywhere that feels other sites need permission to link to their site. The Internet is all about links. It's not my fault that a given browser decides to save me the trouble of clicking a link by rendering a link graphic inline for me. In this vein, I hope it would not be disallowed to simply place a link (that didn't render inline) to a site. I.e. an external link. That would _really_ be stretching a point.

At any rate, it strikes me as a very sad thing that we can't link to graphics. The growing 'pedia will be a dreary place indeed without any art.

I don't claim to fully understand copyright law. I'm not a lawyer. I am an IT Director so I do appreciate concepts such as intellectual property rights and such. I don't want anyone to lose potential revenue. But it seems to me that if you put a graphic (or any material) on a public website, then there's no foul in someone else linking to the site. That's the whole _point_ of the Internet. No?

Finally, again let me stress, I'm in no way trying to impose my sensibility on this community. I am the newbie. I was "boldly editing" and boldly re-editing. And I will now stop. I will never link to a graphic again. But I wanted to add my thoughts to the debate (which I do hope is raging somewhere around here though I haven't found it yet). Ultimately the decision needs to be made by the owner of the hardware equipment which hosts wikipedia (the server(s)). Legally, I believe it to be true that only he/they has legal control of the content here (not withstanding any sort of GNU public license or other quasi-legal instruments.) I haven't quite determined who runs the show here. I suspect it's a Mr. L. Sanger. (?)

Know that I did try to learn what the policy on this subject was. I read thouroughly the Wikipedia Policy, Etiquette, Faux Pas, and Rules documents. Couldn't find any mention of this subject. It seems to me that it needs a big red warning somewhere if this is so taboo.

Thanks for listening. I'll go back to editing now. So many typos and grammar errors.... so little time. :)


It's misleading to say that it's community consensus. It's foremost a legal conclusion. The courts (at least in the US) have ruled that making such links may be considered copyright violation. It's illegal. It's an annoying decision, because, as you say, you're just making a link. But such as it is.

External links are fine.

There is, however, a non-copyright decision as well, which is that Wikipedia is intended to be a self-contained work, and including outside images defeats that purpose.

--TheCunctator


I like Bacardi Limón. I just had to say that --Jzcool

15-year-old girl's drink, if you ask me. Gimme a decent cabernet sauvignon or a Negra Modelo (think that's the spelling, can't be sure) any day. But each to their own :)--Robert Merkel

>>>> i like bacardi orange and bacardi mojito. im from the philippines. i can create a perfect mix of those two drinks.:)-rsakimoto 8-19-2009 6:09pm GMT+8

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PABST BLUE RIBBON!!!
-- SR
It wasn't for years after I first went to Puerto Rico that I discovered rum doesn't taste like the factory smells. Fortunately I'd matured to the point that I could handle it.
As had the rum, of course. --Calieber 20:09, 4 Oct 2003 (UTC)

tHEY NEED TO EXPLAIN WHATS hATUEY BEER GOT TO DO WITH bACARDI...AND i LOVE Bacardi Spices!! strong!!!

Antonio More Bacardi please!!! Martin Captain Morgan


- The finest of Captain Morgan's private reserves, Captain Morgan Private Stock is an extremely smooth, rich blend of the Captain's Puerto Rican rum and distinctive spices. Captain Morgan Private Stock is so smooth that it can be enjoyed straight or on the rocks, as well as in mixed drinks. This premium rum tops the Captain Morgan portfolio:  

Welcome to the unexpected tropical flavor of Captain Morgan's Parrot Bay. This delicious Puerto Rican rum with natural coconut flavor tastes great with a wide range of fruit juices and mixers.

Captain Morgan Silver Spiced Rum is a delicious clear Puerto Rican rum with spice and other natural flavors, providing all the mix ability and sociability of Captain Morgan Original Spiced Rum in a light, sweet silver rum. Its tropical taste mixes well with cola, orange juice and other popular mixers. Discover how it will add a smooth and deliciously different taste to all your favorite spirit drinks.

Hello, my name is Daria,could anybody help me,please,to find contact with Bacardi company. I`m working at one of the largest import company in Ukraine and we would like to offer our services for import Martini and other beverages to Ukraine. I`m looking forward for your reply.Thank you.

This is Daria again. Please contact us for any information you have for how to find e-mail of Bacardi-Martini Cjmpany to the e-mail adress '''alcotrade@bars.net.ua'''. I`ll be very grateful for you.

>>> hi daria, i am rsakimoto. you can check their company www.bacardilimited.com > 8-19-2009 6:13pm GMT+8

rum's[edit]

It seems that this article only talks about rums. But Bacardi is more than that. eg Tia Maria at least 5 scottisch whiskey brewers where bought etc etc

Should this be mentioned?

yesDanlibbo 05:06, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Why did you add an apostraphe to pluralize 'rum?' Who taught you this? I've been seeing it alot lately. Stevekl 23:54, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Apostrophe (mark)#Greengrocers’ apostrophes --Mudd1 12:51, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Doesn't make it right (grumble grumble) Danlibbo 00:15, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Bacardi Rum and Havana Club[edit]

The article somehow misses to mention that today's Bacardi Rum has little to do with the original drink produced in Cuba. The original product is now known as Havana Club which features a completly different (and IMHO much better) taste than Bacardi. The article also fails to mention the Bacardi company's attempt to steal the name and reputation of the latter rum by selling their own re-labeled as "Havana Club" in the US. In fact, the article doesn't even mention the name "Havana Club" at all AFAICS, despite the great focus on the pre-US history of Bacardi Rum. So seriously, even communist bashing is violating the NPOV. -- Mudd1 08:00, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

—I'm fully in agreement about the Havana Club. I have also tagged this article as an advert, which it is not far from being. I'm afraid I'm unqualified to improve it myself, but it urgently needs attention. --Arctic hobo 15:53, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

there's not much alternative unfortunately - the only people who kept a proper history of bacardi were the family/company themselves Danlibbo 05:08, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Is there any link between todays Cuban-made Havana Club and Bacardi ? Before 1959, the name was never Bacardi's. Havana Club is made in Santa Cruz del Norte - what rum used to be made there ? Was that formerly a Bacardi distillery ? -- Beardo 20:21, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Danlibbo - don't understand. Bacardi the 1859-founded distillery have nothing to do with the company today. This was the subject of a lawsuit by Havana Club, as they own the old Bacardi family distillery and thus the right to the name and founding date, but it was unsuccessful, due, if I remember rightly, to the US/Cuba problem, ie the Cuban company haven't a chance in a US court - they can't even enter the country. So the Bacardi family and company are nothing to do with this lot. In fact, this needs to be stressed in the article. Can someone do this? Arctic hobo (talk) 03:11, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Opposition to Castro[edit]

A section detailing Barcardi's opposition to Castro was added by anon user. While much of the material can be verified as it is conveying well documented assertions, it still needs a bit more sourcing NPOV work in my view.--Zleitzen 15:47, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

balanced[edit]

I believe this article is now far more balanced - I've removed the advertising label as such. Mr magoo 12:32, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

It does rather read more like a publicity leaflet from Bacardi than an encyclopaedic article though. I'd like to try toning it down a bit if no-one minds? BarryNL (talk) 00:58, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

?[edit]

"The Bacardi legacy lives on in Santiago and Havana through their grand buildings and historic significance. The Bacardi Building (Edificio Bacardi) in Old Havana is regarded as one of the finest art deco buildings in Latin America." Could please any native speaker work on this POV/PR statement? tnx.--Nemissimo II 18:44, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

valuing the bacardi facilities[edit]

someone recently added a phrase about how the company's assets were valued by the cuban govt after the revolution, it needs to go much earlier in the sentence if it needs to be there at all Danlibbo 22:20, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

And we'll really need some citable sources, too. -- Beardo 01:10, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

communist rant[edit]

Why does this article allow Ospina's communist rant unquestioned? The propaganda tactics used in this article are very obvious.

Example: The RECE (Cuban Representation in Exile) also receives funding from Bacardi family members. Activists for the RECE include Luis Posada Carriles, a terrorist involved in the bombing of Cubana Flight 455 in which 77 people died.

It's like saying: Mercedes-Benz automobiles are made in Germany, the same country that produced the Nazis. The Nazis killed millions of innocent people. World War II, which the Nazis started, led to the establishment of Israel. The establishment of Israel is at the crux of the conflict against Islamic terrorism today. Islamic terrorists caused 9/11. 9/11 prompted U.S. and Coalition forces to invade Iraq. Iraq caused the Democrats to win the Congress.

Actually, the comparison in the article is far worse because the RECE and Carriles share only a casual relationship, and Carriles has merely been accused by Castro and other unaccountable dictators of involvment in Cubana Flight 455. Carriles denies involvement. .....


With respect, it's hardly a 'communist' rant - the statements made in the article are nothing like your comments - as any level minded person would realise (the example might have been better with VW's btw, which were made under the nazis...). He hasn't 'merely' been accused - there is good documented evidence about Carriles' links and involvement in said organisations and activities.

Update- for example - see this article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban-American_National_Foundation - where Carriles admits to taking CANF money for terrorist activities.


Ian Williams[edit]

I'm removing the recent addition about Ian Williams, which was completely false, stating that Bacardi had first developed his rum in Jamaica. When asked by Democracy Now if Bacardi's origins are in Jamaica, Ian Williams immediately says no. His claim is that a Jamaican moved to Cuba to distill rum, and that "it looks like" (meaning he's not sure) Facundo Bacardi might have acquired his distillery and used the same still (and nothing even suggests the still wasn't built in Cuba). There isn't a single claim anywhere on the web that the Bacardi line was created anywhere other than Cuba, not sure why this was taken so out of context.

"This shit is the real deal." Under History ??? Hahahaha, gotta love Wipipedia ;-)--203.212.138.129 01:48, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Anheuser-Busch?[edit]

Bacardi's "Silver" line is owned by Anheuser-Busch, but this isn't mentioned anywhere. I don't even know under what terms this is, or how A-B can produce wine coolers of the same flavor as the rums. Anyone want to add this? Zchris87v 05:06, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

linkbacks in the products section[edit]

the articles for Bacardi Oro, Bacardi Black, Bacardi Añejo, and Bacardi 8 listed in the products section all link back to this article. perhaps those should be de-linked or proper articles should be made for those products. 204.83.242.189 04:32, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

These are just redirects. They should be de-linked. - Mtmelendez (Talk|UB|Home) 10:15, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Bacardi Vaníla[edit]

To my knowledge Vaníla was discontinued at least a year ago, and Bacardi does not picture/list it on their websites anymore. Should a note be added that it is discontinued, or should it be removed from the flavored rums list altogether? Shatteredshards 13:42, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Obsolete links?[edit]

In the Products section, there are 11 links to pages that redirect to the Bacardi page. I think they ought to be deleted, as well as the links to them. --MooNFisH 19:07, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

De-linked. No need for deletion. - Mtmelendez (Talk|UB|Home) 18:10, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

The Still[edit]

"Their first copper and cast iron still produced 35 barrels of fermented molasses per day" is clearly wrong. A still takes in fermented molasses and produces rum. I have not changed it as it's not clear whether the intent is 35 barrels of fermented molasses or 35 barrels of rum. Rees11 (talk) 14:30, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Bacardí vs Bacardit[edit]

Hello. Here in Catalonia I've heard the surname Bacardit (ba-carr-DEET) and I would like to know from what part of Catalonia came this surname as in Sitges is more common Bacardí (bah-carr-DEEH) surname. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.32.59.37 (talk) 15:26, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

It may have originated in havana, cuba. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.96.38.195 (talk) 10:02, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


Availability[edit]

A section or paragraph indicating where these rums can be purchased would be fantastic. I live in Canada and I desperately want to get my hands on a bottle of Peach Red or Melon, but liquor stores around here only sell limon, apple, and coconut. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.241.54.87 (talk) 18:59, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Catalanisme strikes again[edit]

Is there any need to, in the first sentence, mention Catalonia THREE times? Even if the family is originally Catalan, the family most likely (and the company most certainly) has no identification with this region.

Please keep your tribalisms to yourselves.

Eboracum (talk) 23:30, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, although his original name is possibly useful information, and I'm going to add that back in without mentioning Catalonia. If you disagree, take it out and I won't argue. Rees11 (talk) 00:48, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
I see now that his birth name is given in his main article, so it probably isn't needed here. Take it back out if you want. Rees11 (talk) 00:51, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Caribbean H.Q.'s 3RR violation and the relevance of BTW[edit]

The list of brands was removed by Caribbean H.Q. (talk · contribs) in a violation of WP:3RR. WP:BTW applies here, since articles on specific brands already existed, some of which were not linked to here until the complete list was introduced. Brand enumerations are common across Wikipedia (cars, films, to name two other categories for starters). Acquired brands in particular have histories that are worthy of their own articles, made evident by existing articles and facilitated in the future by having a brand list here. The only WP:NOTCATALOG prohibition even vaguely applicable is point 4 of "Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a dictionary:Wikipedia is not a directory" which challenges the inclusion of "sales catalogs" with prices. There has been a list of brands in the article dating back at least two years. All of these are reasons for the recent WP:3RR violation to be reverted. Thanks. 68.167.191.219 (talk) 20:19, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

I just checked the history and can't find the 3RR violation. Can you please list the edits? Rees11 (talk) 20:52, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
My apologies, I misread the history. That doesn't negate the other points I made though. I'll await arguments against restoring the brand list before I proceed. 67.101.6.216 (talk) (fka 68.167.191.219) 06:09, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
OK, I'll get started on that. First, WP:BTW is an argument for including a list of brands that have Wikipedia entries, not for including an exhaustive list of brands. Second, an exhaustive list of brands is uninteresting. Third, an exhaustive list of brands is likely to become out of date. Fourth, an up to date list of brands is available (I think) via an external list. Fifth, the list as proposed contains way too much upper case. Sixth, there may not be prices listed, but it sure looks like a sales catalog to me. Seventh, there already is a list of brands. It's notable and interesting that Bacardi makes a brand of vermouth, but not that it makes a hundred different kinds of rum that all have "Bacardi" in their name, at least not interesting enough to list them all. Rees11 (talk) 13:20, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
I am pretty sure this user is either drunk or delirious. I never came close to violating the 3RR limit, the "list" was first removed by Rees11 once and by me, once. Obviously, there never was more than three reverts in a 24-hour period by either of us. As a matter of fact, my last edit to this article before that was all the way on August. Trying to blow things out of proportions by citing lies deserves a good whack. - Caribbean~H.Q. 14:45, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm trying not to question our anonymous friend's motives, just his proposals. But I will note that I take arguments far more seriously when they come from a real editor, not some anonymous IP address. Now, given that everyone agrees there was no violation of 3RR, can we come to some consensus on the list of brands? If there are some that are not now listed, but do have Wikipedia entries (not just stubs), I would agree to putting those in the article. Rees11 (talk) 17:35, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Thanks Rees11 for assuming good faith, the 3RR claim was already apologized for and I do so again— it was the first time in the over five years I've been an editor that I made that mistake on a talk page. Perhaps tired rather than delirious is more accurate. So now to your seven points, the first of which is most relevant to the relevance and applicability of WP:BTW and is critical to the argument that the brand list inclusion:
  1. WP:BTW says "Don't be afraid to create links to articles which don't exist yet"...
  2. "Uninteresting" is subjective; I'm sure we all could cite whole categories of articles that we find uninteresting. There's ample evidence everywhere that lists of brands or products are a generally interesting topic.
  3. I agree that a list can become out-of-date, but that's true of all sorts of lists, for example lists of episodes of current television series, or list of automobile brands from present-day manufacturers. {{Update after}} can be used.
  4. "An up to date list of brands is available" (please clarify this one)
  5. I agree about the upper-case. I'll fix this.
  6. Mentioning a brand does not constitute a sales catalog. Again, look around at all of the brands already in Wikipedia. Heck, just by listing a book's ISBN number or mentioning a film's DVD availability you're doing more to use Wikipedia as a sales catalog than you do in this case (that's because books and DVDs are much easier to buy online than alcohol).
  7. What I thought made sense was to have the narrative that currently exists as an introduction to highlights within the brand list, an approach used frequently by people working on an actor's Wikipedia biography.
Thanks. 67.100.127.227 (talk) (fka 67.101.6.216 (contribs)) 13:17, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
I am still opposed to Anonymous's proposed list. Anyone else have an opinion? Rees11 (talk) 13:35, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Origin of Daiquiri and Cuba Libre[edit]

>>> originated offcourse in santiago, cuba by fucundo bacardi familia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.96.38.195 (talk) 10:04, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

That Miami Herald story is often referenced but has been debunked by at least one author. I don't have the time to edit this now but someone should. Check the usual sources, DeGroff, etc. I believe most cocktail historians agree that it's impossible to say when or where either drink came from much less what brand of rum was used. Rees11 (talk) 01:57, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Bacardí or Bacardi[edit]

Why is the accent not present over the "í"? La Fuzion (talk) 14:48, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Probably because the company name isn't spelled that way: http://www.bacardilimited.com/our-company/about-us — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.194.51.61 (talk) 19:03, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Hemingway[edit]

This should be revised, but I don't know the facts: "In 1954, Compañía ‘Ron Bacardi’ S.A. paid him homage when he was awarded the Nobel Prize in Literature of his novel The Old Man and the Sea (1952), in which he honored the Company by mentioning its Hatuey beer." Josh a brewer (talk) 08:23, 12 November 2012 (UTC)