Talk:BadVista

This article should be removed

The article lacks any significant encyclopedic content, it lacks notability and it is aq soapbox article and Wikipedia is not a soapbox. Criticism on Windows Vista is already in the Vista article and the FSF who is responsible for this campaign has already a separate article as well. There is no need for a separate article about some FSF campaign criticizing Vista. This article is like an invite to every other campaign to add article on themselves in Wikipedia. hAl (talk) 15:28, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

This article should not be removed

The notability derives from the basic questions that the campaign puts. In addition, big users as Intel have expressed serious doubts on adopting Vista. I'll try and describe the basic question in a new section of the article, striving to be objective and not partisan. It is not just a free vs. non-free operating system question, but addresses issues that will encompass the design of electronic appliances in the next decades. Therefore, it deserves a balanced explanation in an encyclopedia that aims at giving quickly understandable information about relevant facts. The question arose in an FSF campaign involving a Microsoft OS, so let's just inform the people about the point from a neutral point of view.

ale (talk) 13:20, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Asking a relevant question does not make YOU relevant, sorry. The fact that a small group agrees with a large group isn't cause for notability either, at least not until the small group actually, you know, DOES something notable.
I also think this article should be removed.Kingoomieiii (talk) 15:59, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Hm... The small group is the BadVista supporters (7000 registered supporters at end of 2008[1]). The large group is presumably Intel (86,000 employees worldwide at end of 2007[2]). However, they merely consider TCO and productivity (see e.g. CompModelsTCO) which is not quite the same subject. Furthermore, Intel "obviously" lauds Vista[3].

The reason why BadVista should not be removed is that it embodies a question which is rather unique. It is difficult (and nonsensical) to cover that question in Wikipedia independently of BadVista. So, is it a relevant question? Dunno. To answer that, one has to put another couple of questions: Is computing an epochal transition? (How does it compare to, say, the advent of writing systems at the end of neolithic?) If yes, will freedom be preserved during that transition? (This is not the place to philosophize whether Wikipedia would ever have existed if Richard Stallman hadn't launched the GNU project, but some of the implied considerations would help to correctly place FSF and its campaigns.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ale2006 (talk • contribs) 12:55, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

This article should not be removed. It got good press, raised points others would not raise, and was successful. It is written from also written from a neutral tone and is not SOAP. It is certainly notable enough to deserve the short article it has.Scientus (talk) 11:04, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

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