Talk:Bahá'í Faith by continent

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Proposed merge[edit]

I'm afraid I don't see the point in this article; I suggest the details are either merged into the respective country articles or into Baha'i statistics. AndrewRT(Talk) 21:14, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

I disagree, actually the agreement on Baha'i statistics was that this material should be moved out, because it isn't mostly about statistics. It's written in summary style. Regards, -- Jeff3000 (talk) 00:09, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
Remember, you don't WP:OWN Wikipedia, regardless of what "agreements" you make among yourselves. Articles on the Baha'i Faith should conform to the article conventions used elsewhere on Wikipedia. Most of the other "Religion by country" articles are in tabular form - one row per country, with an overall introduction. I suggest this article is done like that too, with the detailed text moved to the relevant country-articles. AndrewRT(Talk) 14:21, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
This article was created from various sources mostly because it didn't fit anywhere else. Individual countries already exist but a summary for is needed from that perspective. As for other tabular forms, I don't consider Christianity by country or Hinduism by country, as examples of what I think AndrewRT is referring to, as much of a model of what we should do. I prefer the breif abstract approach. Single lines of statistics are a very different approach than what this article is trying to do. And like it or not, but engaging, presuming we can get to some kind of agreement, you are among the "yourselves" making Wikipedia better, regardless you wont own the result any more than "we" do. Smkolins (talk) 15:51, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

perhaps the Chronology could go to Bahá'í timeline[edit]

this might simplify this article alittle and add to that content nicely? Smkolins (talk) 15:55, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

data to incorporate in a redone page[edit]

Summary Data[edit]

maybe this should go to Bahá'í statistics?

  • 1. 2001 Stats
  • 2. a table perhaps ala Major_religious_groups#Trends_in_adherence
  • 3. need a way to cite it but I have an email from the Research Department of the Baha'i World Center reporting the number of Women serving on NSAs from 1987 to 2007 (some of which is online here)
  • 4. first mention of "5 million Baha'is" from 1991 - here, and other mentions at various dates for total numbers of Baha'is.
  • 5. schools by continent

By-Country Data[edit]

very beta development[edit]

User:Smkolins/Sandbox3 perhaps discuss basic structures and then start filling more systematically.

Smkolins (talk) 22:35, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

re-catting[edit]

Wiki-uk and I have been discussing the categorizing of Bahá'í statistics and Bahá'í Faith by country - we're now suggesting they belong to Category:Bahá'í statistics, which would then be under Category:Bahá'í history. Thoughts? Smkolins (talk) 15:08, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I would call the category Category:Bahá'í demographics, but not place it in the Baha'i history cat. -- Jeff3000 (talk) 04:44, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

USA[edit]

Why no article Bahá'í Faith in the United States? Cuñado ☼ - Talk 02:16, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Well from my pov it would be a colossal task. In some ways it would mean integrating many of the Baha'i articles that exist and would probably need itself to be multiple articles with a summary article. I've previously suggested that before a main article could come together it would be better to beef up all the biographical pages that relate - and we have advanced on a few of them like Juliet Thompson. I've been getting an itch for Dorothy Beecher Baker. We've also been critiqued on this page - that it doesn't follow all the format of all the other similar articles. I've been putting together a comparable table and frankly working through articles around the world help me get the details for such a table of which the US is just one page. Additionally almost any interest in the question could find one of dozens of books already written on the subject. On the other hand it would be comparatively hard for any researcher to get a reasonable amount of info about most of the countries I've written about. Even the UK article - which I think has gotten the most attention of all the articles. And people immediately wanted to write sub articles from it and all were fairly bad jobs which I helped somewhat with taking time away from writing up other whole countries. Add that to get an article about the US that takes into account lots of vested interests all together on this would be some all consuming work probably for months. O- more thoughts - I thought I would need to beef up my skills on wikipedia which I've done some of in the mean time. And also I've been thinking of Abdu'l-Baha's Travels in the West as an article which would be certainly a major part of such an article on the US. Care to help on that? Smkolins (talk) 04:44, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
Yeah I'll work on it sometime in the next few weeks. I don't think it would take much to set up a simple version that can be expanded. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 07:15, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
I've got a thread of it in an Italy article in the works. I know his trip to Germany is referenced in the Germany article. I don't recall how much it's in the Britain article but there should be some there... as it grows it can be linked up in all those. No France article yet - obviously that will be a major part. Back on the idea of the whole US article - I've also got a Baha'i Faith and Native Americans article which covers N and S America. If you'll see the talk about of `Abdu'l-Bahá there's some chatter at the bottom about some sources/refs. O and the Bahiyyih Khánum article touches on it as well. The Bahá'í House of Worship article probably touches on it or should.... you see how this is threading through lot's of articles.... Smkolins (talk) 12:28, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

another resource...[edit]

Arthur Hampson (1980). The Growth and Spread of the Baha'i Faith (PhD thesis). University of Hawaii at Manoa. Retrieved 2011-11-17.  Smkolins (talk) 01:16, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Size split?[edit]

Split - Sections 2-8 should be split out since article is over 100 kB. Thoughts? Suggestions?--Jax 0677 (talk) 19:12, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

I've been poking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Smkolins/Sandbox3 but another could take it over - a different approach surely, but perhaps more in keeping with parallel examples. --Smkolins (talk) 19:22, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Another option is to split each continent into it's own page, with a summary section here. Regards, -- Jeff3000 (talk) 23:18, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Bahá'í Faith in Africa case in point.... but it doesn't list every country... --Smkolins (talk) 01:44, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Bahá'í Faith in Central America - I can see some have jumped on in to it. Smkolins (talk) 14:12, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Splitting off Bahá'í Faith in Central America is probably the worst idea at the moment. There are ~100 countries represented. If we aimed for a target article length of say 50k then that means 500 characters/country or say 80 words @ 6 chars/word. Most of the countries already have articles anyway, so that should be possible. If it really is not possible then maybe the page should be reduced to just the links to the articles for the individual countries. The idea of splitting by large regions just seems arbitrary. Op47 (talk) 23:03, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Doing splits by continents seems doable. Not the same size (number of countries) but a seemingly natural split - through I could see an exception for Central/South America by calling it Latin America. And there is the relatively minor problem of some countries argued over which continent it is it in between Asia and Europe.... It's not a perfect system.... --Smkolins (talk) 00:35, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

If you compare Bahá'í Faith in Africa with say Bahá'í Faith in Asia (even if you moved the countries in as entries) there is a very different approach. The new articles focus very much just on population estimates where as the African one unifies a degree of history (to which can be added the particulars of the country articles.) I think this approach, though more work, should be parallelized in the other articles. --Smkolins (talk) 03:26, 2 February 2013 (UTC)


I'm wondering if this article should be renamed something like Bahá'í Faith world community or The Bahá'í Faith around the world with continental sections and summaries and links to these split outs underway for continents and per country summaries and then main articles for each country.... --Smkolins (talk) 01:10, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Apparantly Jax0677 thinks it ought to be called "Bahá'í Faith by continent" Op47 (talk) 22:23, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

OK - that about finishes the major reconstructions suggested - there should be followup smoothing content and context overall since some sections repeat things and then also an eye to proportionality for prominence and population should be examined. Finally some continental sections still have little more than country listings and once those are done summaries of those summaries could be brought back here. --Smkolins (talk) 18:47, 30 May 2013 (UTC)