Talk:Baltimore Ravens

Marching Band

I ask to all that we add to this to the page, speaking of the story of the Baltimore Marching Colts, that would become the Marching Ravens.. I will add to it and would appreciate assistance in this!! :) This is the NFL's only current, Official Marching Band. Addition: THey have everything on this page : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marching_Ravens However.., I think we should link/ mention them in this article!! Source: http://30for30.espn.com/film/the-band-that-wouldnt-die.html --Tigerhawk47 (talk) 15:57, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Untitled

I don't agree with the shift of Cleveland Browns content to the Cleveland Browns page. The old Browns and current Ravens are linearly the same franchise, with the same owner and carrying over much of the same management structure and player personnel. The new Browns are an expansion team with new owners and personnel. As is correctly pointed out, the current franchise owns the old trademarks and stuff, but that's not relevant; it's like saying that Michael Jackson was a Beatle because he now owns the rights to the old Lennon-McCartney songs.

Willing to be persuaded; otherwise, would recommend switching it back. -- RjLesch

I am inclined to agree. While it is true that the NFL decided to transfer the teams history, the fact remains that the Baltimore Ravens were not an expansion team. They had the same players, coaches, and management as the old Browns, and it is they new Browns that are the true expansion team. Jeff8765 15:42, Jan 24, 2005 (UTC)

• But currently, the NFL and all its official records technically treats the Baltimore Ravens as an 1996 expansion team who just got same players, coaches, and management as the old Browns. The Browns are treated like the team suspended operations from 1996-1998. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 05:40, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Zzyzx11 is correct, and the wish among Baltimore fans is to use that same treatment to make the Colts in Baltimore the Baltimore predessesor team, with a suspended operations until the Ravens came along. --Noitall 23:31, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

I doubt that will happen in the near future, as the Irsay family seems persistent in keeping all of the Baltimore Colts history and records. Until then, the Colts and the Ravens are officially different and separate teams. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 18:05, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Several issues: It is only part Irsay, the rest in Tagliabou. The Colts are the one exception and have been treated that way from the beginning. In fact, the city of Baltimore was initiating eminant domain procedings when the Colts left (it may have hastened their departure). It is a legal argument that would likely work, but is likely not to be needed any more.

This is not the "NFL" page. The city of Baltimore and all those hall of famers, uncluding Johnnie U., have every right to assert their position that Baltimore NFL history includes the Colts. NPOV means they get equal treatment.

Finally, the legacy of 2 previous Baltimore Colts teams was OFFICIALLY incorporated with great fanfare into the Baltimore Ravens, see brief description at Baltimore Colts (1947-50). This is the only football team to have such a legacy and history. --Noitall 03:16, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

• All I am going to by the official history of the NFL. That is the standard that was agreed on Wikipedia:WikiProject National Football League. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 03:34, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Noitall, And please stop trying to edit when I am trying to edit, please... I am getting constant edit conflicts, that my edits to this page have not gotten through until now. Thanks. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 03:34, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

You continue to ignore all discussion, seem to think this is the NFL page, and seem to think this is your page. You are wrong on all of them. Further, I could care less what some Wikiproject agreed to. We don't have a some private organization controlling anything on Wiki. Should the Bush Administration write its own article on Wiki and should Enron? Give me a break. Are you a newbie here? --Noitall 03:36, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

Please calm down. First, as I wrote above, I have tried to write my comments here but I kept on getting an edit conflict. Second, as I wrote in my previous message about, "The Colts and the Ravens are officially different and separate teams". Third, we did agree on the policy at the Wikiproject. And lastly, I am not really a newbie; I am on here editing on most days because I am an administrator here. Thanks. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 03:45, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

• So, now that we are not having edit conflicts anymore, do you like my compromised edits? Zzyzx11 (Talk) 03:47, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

I have no problem with your compromise edit. For the most part, I don't mind further explanations as long as the position of some (very passionate) fans and hall of famers is in there. I became rather annoyed because I thought I already took some time to make compromise edits and, well, you know the rest. --Noitall 03:52, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

I would like to see this become the standard for relocating sports franchises. When a team abandons a city, they should leave the history behind. It's ridiculous that Baltimore couldn't call their CFL team the Colts because the team that fled to Indianapolis held the rights to the name. Phoenix has no business trading on the Chicago Cardinals history, and so on. The city of Washington should have been allowed to call the transplanted Montreal Expos the Senators if the fans wanted to do so, without requiring permission from the Texas Rangers.

Whatever the legal issues, public pressure can enforce this.

However, we are recording history here, and the details behind the Cleveland-Baltimore shuffle should be documented. WHPratt (talk) 02:12, 11 February 2009 (UTC)WHPratt

If the Sony Records declared Journey's curent lead singer Arnel Pineda would for now on legally named Steve Perry and get all Steve Perry gold recoeds and the original Steve Perry would for now on be called Joe Smith. Would that make Arnel Pineda Steve Perry? DLA75 (talk) 02:39, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

No. But on the other hand, if the owner of the historic Brown Widget Company in Cleveland wanted to move his business, and the city sued to stop him, they could agree out of court that he could hire the workers and move to Baltimore to set up a new Ravens Widget Company. Meanwhile, the historic Brown Widget Company would cease its business operations for three years while it gets approval to obtain a new owner, new workers, and the proper business licenses to open again. Zzyzx11 (talk) 16:02, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Improvement drive

National Football League is currently a candidate on WP:IDRIVE. Vote for it if you are interested!--Fenice 20:39, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Not to be forgotten

Many of these players are already forgotten and should be forgotten. Here is the original list.

• Gary Baxter
• Randall Cunningham
• Trent Dilfer
• Elvis Grbac
• Eric Green
• Jim Harbaugh
• Edgerton Hartwell
• Priest Holmes
• Jermaine Lewis
• Scott Mitchell
• Bam Morris
• Chris Redman
• Shannon Sharpe
• Jamie Sharper
• Tony Siragusa
• Duane Starks
• Brandon Stokley
• Travis Taylor
• Vinny Testaverde
• Eric Turner
• Rod Woodson

I am paring it down to people who contributed substantially in the early losing years or contributed substantially in Super Bowl year. In addition, if they made it big outside of the Ravens, perhaps they should be included. Thus it becomes:

• Trent Dilfer
• Priest Holmes
• Jermaine Lewis
• Shannon Sharpe
• Jamie Sharper
• Tony Siragusa
• Duane Starks
• Brandon Stokley
• Vinny Testaverde
• Rod Woodson

Comments? --Noitall 10:36, August 20, 2005 (UTC)

Comments

I decided to add Gary Baxter back to the list of not to be forgotten players, I am also adding Edgerton Hartwell back to the list.--IAMTHEEGGMAN 20:31, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Did Dale Carter, the 199? Defensive rookie of the year, ever play for this team? Somebody ought to add him to the notable player list. 216.165.236.141 02:58, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Don't forget about Michael Jackson. Ravens best receiver those first few years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.233.201.129 (talk) 04:11, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

I added a fact on the Ravens winning the Super Bowl as a wild card team. They were the third team with a title of 'Wild Card' to win the big game ('80 Raiders and '97 Broncos the first two), but the '69 Kansas City Chiefs won Super Bowl IV after finishing second in their division, making the Ravens the fourth non-division winning world champion. The 'Wild Card' term wasn't applied to the Chiefs in that final year before the AFL-NFL merger.--Rockedaz (talk) 00:41, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism and BJ Ward

I have two comments: First, there should be a disambiguation page for B.J. Ward the football player as opposed to B.J. Ward the actress. Second, I see apparent vandalism where the Ravens' logo should appear. --JHVipond 03:01, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Both fixed and taken care of, thanks for pointing it out. --Boothy443 | comhrá 05:37, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

JHVipond, remember that you can always revert a page to an earlier version. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 17:30, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Logo Change in 1998

The caption to the logo says it was changed due to copyright infringement, but searching for 'logo' in the article yielded no hits. I'm intrigued. What are the details of that? Is there another logo which was similar in design?

• I started a new section on this topic. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 20:29, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Logo Controversy

Alakazam here!

On the "Logo Controversy" section, that's cool that it's comparing the artist's drawing and the Ravens' very firt logo. Keep up the good work guys!

Change in order of colors

I changed the order of the colors from "Black, Purple, and Gold" to "Purple, Black, and Gold" because the home jersey is purple. The jersey color is the primary, not the helmet color. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.208.197.248 (talk • contribs) .

• If you are curious, what I basically did was copy the order "Black, Purple, and Gold" from the book NFL Record and Fact Book (ISBN 193299436X). Zzyzx11 (Talk) 22:28, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone know how to change the alternate team uniform to indicate that it is white pants with a black top? For 2008, the pants are white with a black and purple stripe, not solid black as they were in the past. The alternate uniform was worn only one time, during the Flexed NBC Sunday Night Football game Dec 7 at M&T Bank Stadium. http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-ravensredskins1207-pg,0,6052691.photogallery ArrnoldMulligan (talk) 16:36, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Not to be Forgotten and Broken Links

If the player has a broken link, shouldn't he be removed from the Not to be Forgotten List? I was just checking with you guys before I do it... or someone else beats me to it...--68.55.182.255 13:51, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

• No, normally red links are not removed from a list like that just in case a registered user decides to start an article about him. Thanks. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 14:45, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Sheild logo

If they got sued for using that logo they why is it still used on the field at the 50 yard line? -- Coasttocoast 06:13, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

It is NOT the same copyvio "B" logo with wings. If you look carefully at the current logo at the 50-yard line of M&T Bank Stadium, the design inside the shield is similar to the Flag of Maryland. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 07:39, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it is the Flag of Maryland.Mezlo 18:33, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Wheelchair basketball team

The current Maryland Ravens were originally known as the Baltimore Ravens before the football team got grabby with the name. I'm disappointed that there is no mention of that. -Etoile (talk) 14:49, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Baltimore NFL Page It is time to attach the Baltimore Colts history and records to this page or create a Baltimore NFL entry that lists them together. The people who look at this page are Baltimore Colts and Baltimore Ravens fans. There is no such thing as a "Colts" fan. A fan is either a fan of the Baltimore Colts or the Indianapolis Colts. On December 28, 2008, it was Baltimore that hosted the Official NFL Celebration of the "Greatest Game Every Played" which was won by Baltimore. Therefore, since the players and fans who made the Baltimore Colts an institution feel that the Baltimore Ravens are the direct successors to the Baltimore Colts this should be accurately reflected in Wikipedia. Each Hall of Fame Baltimore Colt is honored in Baltimore at the Ravens stadium and not in Indiana. Logic would dictate that the gatekeepers of this page allow direct links from the Baltimore Ravens to the Baltimore Colts on this entry. If not, then a Baltimore NFL page needs to be created. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.11.196.52 (talk) 17:30, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

2010 O.T.A

With a productive off-season now over the Ravens have changed what was once considered a weakness into a strength at the wide receiver position. According to John Eisenberg "It was such a positive off-season that the Ravens are going to be a popular pick to win the AFC North". But with progress there is also concern, All-Pro safety Ed Reed has declared a 50-50 chance of return for the 2010 season, it is no doubt that without the experienced veteran the Ravens will surly be at a disadvantage vs other team's passing game. With the new found teaching method of head coach John Harbaugh (whole-part-whole) contributing Writer Ryan Mink felt The success of the Raven's organized team activities was not by coincidence.Ish kay (talk) 02:47, 16 June 2010 (UTC)http://www.baltimoreravens.com/News/Articles/2010/06/Eisenberg--Ish kay (talk) 02:47, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Wild Card vs. Non Divison champ

The current version of the article contains the following line:

The Ravens became only the third wild card team (and fourth non-division champion) to win a Super Bowl championship.

I'm unsure how a team could win a Super Bowl being neither a division champ nor a wild card. Can someone explain, or was this sentence the result of someone's personal impairment? HuskyHuskie (talk) 23:31, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

No mention of Edgar Allen Poe or The Raven (poem)? Seriously?

Why this oversight? 216.197.66.61 (talk) 00:11, 8 February 2012 (UTC)