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Vandalism[edit]

There is clearly repeated vandalism by a bot continually editing Early Life, which has been reverted multiple times. How does Wikipedia generally avoid spam by bots? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.12.172.145 (talk) 05:21, 6 February 2007 (UTC).

How is this a controversy? Consider omitting[edit]

In September 1990, Bush said in an interview for People Magazine that the then-brand new TV show The Simpsons was the dumbest thing she had ever seen. Six years later, she and her husband were parodied heavily in an episode of the show, titled "Two Bad Neighbors" in which they were satirized in a Dennis the Menace style context. Bush was portrayed as being like Martha Wilson, even using the "Oh George" catchprase made famous by the latter.:

Umbrellanon, August 2008 —Preceding undated comment was added at 04:11, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Brother's mention[edit]

Mentioning her brother in the first paragraph comes across as a political attack. She is famous for being First Lady, not for being the sister of this person. If appropriate to include in the article, it should at least be later.

I can't imagine how that could be a political attack, but it's definitely irrelevant; I took it out. The fellow isn't notable for anything. BarrettBrown

Blood descendancy in relation to Franklin Pierce?[edit]

Barbara Bush is NOT a blood descendant of Franklin Pierce, but she is a member of the same 'Pierce' family.

Pictures talk[edit]

Perhaps we should increase the size of the article to accommodate all of the pictures in the article? I like multiple pictures, no matter how relevant to the actual "history" of the person as it shows a more complete picture of how this person looked. The "Nixon" and "Family" pics show how deep she is in the political circle, and Bush's political dynasty. WhisperToMe 00:24, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

The family pic was relevant, but she was off to the edge and I had to spend some 20 or so seconds looking for her. There should be a better pic. -Unknown
The Nixon pic is hardly relevant. So she attended a public function...that's hardly explained in the article. Maybe this is better. Don't think about adding irrelevant pics until there's enough room for them. They make the article look worse through whitespace and/or think columns of text, not better. --Jiang 00:31, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

Redirect vandalism[edit]

Someone redirected the article to Barbara Pierce Bush. That is not her common name and I have reverted the change. Mike H 03:24, Nov 22, 2004 (UTC)

Derogatory vandalism[edit]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Bush#Marriage_and_family

Is she a time traveler?[edit]

On the first page or so: She was born in 1925, met Bush when she was 25, and married him in 1945. I'll leave it to a real historian to fix this, if it needs fixing. -Unknown

Okay, that's not very unusual. -mast3rlinkx (joining soon)

Censorship[edit]

Please try to keep a balanced view not by suppressing opinions you do not agree with, but by adding passages that stress the positive side of Barbara Bush. It is easy to delete some other person's work, but more difficult to write about a subject of considerable interest. If you do that, your time will not be wasted. David Cruise 18:15, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

There is no doubt some place on Wikipedia for a discussion of Gulf War propaganda issues, but the Barbara Bush article is hardly it! She had zilch to do with it. The fact that she alluded to some of the perhaps-propaganda claims in her memoirs is worth at most a very small mention, which is what I edited it to. Wasted Time R 18:19, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi R. I agree with some of your concerns and I relegated bulk of the material on this issue to the footnotes. I would like this Wikipedia entry on B.B. be as informative as possible. There is a blank space in the subheading First Lady of the United States that should be filled by her role as the first lady in discussions with the foreign leaders, etc. David Cruise 19:53, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
Why don't you move your material to Gulf_War#Invasion_of_Kuwait, or History_of_Iraq#Rule_Under_Sadd.C4.81m, or George H. W. Bush, where it would be much more appropriate? All that you're establishing here is that Barbara Bush believed the U.S. justifications for the Gulf War, which is hardly a revelation. Your user page says you were a professor who published a lot; I hope your academic papers didn't veer off-topic as badly as this contribution does. Wasted Time R 20:07, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

French talk[edit]

Il y a plus d'un âne à la foire qui s'appelle Martin. David Cruise 21:01, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

What does that translate to in English? -mast3rlinkx (joining soon)

Super Mario Super Show and Mario Bros. Comic[edit]

Since she and president Bush make a guest appearance in the old Super Mario Bros 3 show, and a parody of her, Barbara the Bush is mentioned in the comic, I was wondering if anyone would mind if I made a reference to this in the articles. I'm sure there are parodies of most major figures, so having a section would be nice, and it would encourage people to bring more to light. Charicatures provide cool information about public comedic views of the characters. Tyciol 16:43, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was move to Talk:Barbara Bush. Joelito (talk) 04:41, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Barbara Bush (First Lady)Talk:Barbara Bush … Rationale: Article & Talk got separated during prior moves … —Dhartung | Talk 07:01, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Survey[edit]

Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
  • Support as nominator. --Dhartung | Talk 07:06, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Support. Pretty clear move to me. --Usgnus 17:54, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Support. Matches the article title; seems uncontroversial. --ChrisWinter 15:33, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

Add any additional comments

I assume this is uncontroversial, but I don't want to skip any steps after complaining elsewhere. ;-) --Dhartung | Talk 07:06, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Notable fact shared with Abigail Adams[edit]

Barbara Bush may be the second woman -- after Abigail Adams -- to see two U.S. presidents naked.

Anna Harrison may have been the second, making Barbara Bush the third, hmmm. A list page must be created. Joking, of course Jjmillerhistorian 14:52, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

If it weren't for Sirhan Sirhan you'd need to add Marilyn Monroe to that list :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.106.192.66 (talk) 20:39, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

disambiguation[edit]

What exactly is the logic behind having this "Barbara Pierce Bush" at Barbara Bush, and having her granddaughter, also "Barbara Pierce Bush," at Barbara Pierce Bush? This seems like madness. john k 23:50, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Her granddaughter isnt Barbara Pierce Bush its Barbara Welsh Bush. Jenna is Jenna Peirce Bush. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.77.127.106 (talk) 15:10, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

First Lady of the United States[edit]

Barbara Bush is famous for being First Lady, yet there's nothing written in the First Lady section. I'll try to expand it, but does anyone want to help? Happyme22 02:29, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

It's pretty funny the way it is. — Sandover 02:26, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


NPOV dispute[edit]

The article is simply not neutral. Undue weight is placed on events that represent Mrs. Bush's bad side. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.74.116.243 (talk) 02:57, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Huh? There's a short "controversy" section that mentions a few things she's been criticised for over the years. None of them seems to be covered at greater length than necessary. So how would you cut the section, if you think it's too long? -- Zsero 04:32, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

§→== The daugher of Aleister Crowley? ==

On the radio talk show A View From Space, November 11, 2007, Toronto talk show host "Spaceman" Gary Bell relays about the mother of the former first lady, Pauline, that nine months prior to the birth of her third child she was in France:

Pauline (Pierce) had two young children aged three and four when she decided to have some fun. She left her children and her husband and the States and headed off to France. When she got there, she spent time with her friend Nelly O'Hara and Frank Harris. Frank Harris also had a friend who was none other than Aleister Crowley, the head at the time of the Satanic organization known as the O.T.O. [...] This trip to France took place in 1924, the very same year that Aleister Crowley claims to have first experienced his E.C.L. or "eroto-comatose lucidity" [...] As I said, this all happened in 1924, in early October of 1924 Pauline Pierce after this meeting and staying with Aleister Crowley and her friend returned to the Unites States, and her children, and her husband Marvin. Exactly nine months later she gave birth to a daughter whom they called Barbara Pierce.

__meco 18:03, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

This does not seem to be a reliable source. Colonel Warden (talk) 12:34, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
You reckon? -- Zsero (talk) 12:42, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
A rumor on Canadian radio program is unimpeachable. 76.3.36.226 (talk) 18:58, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

In the version today, the name of Barbara Bush's mother linked not to a Wikipedia article but to a web-page claiming A. Crowley was B. Bush's father. As nothing in the text indicated this, the link is deceptive, and thus constitutes vandalism. I have removed it; however, FYI it was http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2006/04/george-w-bush-barbara-bush-and.html

--WickerGuy (talk) 02:12, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

This is absurd and obviously meant to discredit President Bush (which you can do quite well by sticking to documented facts). Even if the story above is true, all it says is that Barbara Bush was conceived in Europe and that her mother knew someone who knew Crowley. It is a huge leap to say that Crowley is her father, and even if Marvin Pierce was not her biological father, that would not change her name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.132.223.22 (talk) 21:31, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

so what? Tvoz/talk 22:44, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Middle name at birth?[edit]

Did she have a middle name at birth or was she just Barbara Pierce? I found one place [1] that claims she didn't have a middle name. That seems a bit strange, but I couldn't find her original middle name anywhere either. Does anyone have a reliable source? Billgordon1099 (talk) 07:02, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

quotes[edit]

"Giving frees us from the familiar territory of our own needs by opening our mind to the unexplained worlds occupied by the needs of others." Barbara Bush —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.184.26 (talk) 19:36, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Fictional portrayals: "The Naked Gun 2½: The Smell of Fear"-Played by Margery Ross "Hero"-Played by Margery Ross "The Simpsons" -Played by Tress MacNeille "That's My Bush!"-Played by Marte Boyle Slout "Lil' Bush: Resident of the United States"- Played by Mara Cary "Robot Chicken"-Played by Breckin Meyer "Memoirs Are Better as Fiction"-Played by Johnie Ann Jones —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.64.82.171 (talk) 22:54, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Respect[edit]

Barbara Bush, I have so much respect for her. She worked outside of party ideologies and supported causes for women and other social programs. If on the left or on the right, Americans and the world respects this gracious lady very much. She is the "American mother" par exellence. We all hope that she is in good health. Maybe such an statement does not belong here, I think it does. Osterluzei (talk) 21:22, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

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