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I'm not too sure about my phrasing of "Farmers" to include homesteaders, nesters, and ranchers using enclosed ranges. See here for more info:

http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/view/FF/auf1.html

Ben Brumfield


By "soft spans" do you mean "short spans"? -phma

I thought Lucien B. Smith invented it? i ave a book in fornt of me saying he did.

Type of Post[edit]

In the western United States we often use Incense Cedar (pseudosuga taxifolia)for fence post material. In particular, we use the core of the tree and receive the benifit of the toxic quality of the wood to repel inscects.

Regards, Edwin Dyer

historiacally native tress, such as poplar were used in Canada, softwoods are perferable though, ceder and spruce are common. In Montana expence of wood has lead to the use of steel posts.

Brett Knoss

Barbed wire in professional wrestling[edit]

Probably doesn't belong in the article. It probably needs to be a part of an article about professioanl wrestling instread. Pschemp | Talk 16:37, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

I saw the match in question on PPV and I can say with confidence that JBL did indeed 'test' the barbwire with his forearm (he wasn't actually cut I don't think) with a scared look on his face (probably all kayfabed even though the barbwire was real)

Identity of demonstrator[edit]

Pete McManus is said to have demonstrated barbed-wire in Alamo Square, San Antonio, Texas in 1876. The demonstration showing cattle restrained by the new kind of fencing was followed immediately by invitations to the Menger Hotel to place orders. Within 25 years, nearly all of the open range had been fenced in under private ownership.

Various web bios [1] of John "Bet-a-million" Gates say he is the one who, as a saleman for Glidden's barbed wire, set up the pen. I'm thinking "Pete McManus" is not the correct name here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by StanZegel (talkcontribs) 14:16, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Fencing humans[edit]

During the Soviet-Afghan War, the accommodation of Afghan refugees into Pakistan was controlled in Pakistan's largest province, Balochistan, under General Rahimuddin Khan, by making the refugees stay for controlled durations in barbed wire camps.

The sentence above needs a reference supplied before inclusion in the article. It is not a unique example, we just need to be more careful about specfiing the source of our additions. --Blainster 20:29, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Ellwood[edit]

You cannot really discuss barbed wire without mentioning, Isaac L. Ellwood and probably Jacob Haish. Glidden and Ellwood partnered on the barbed wire venture because they both held patents on it, I am not entirely sure how Haish was involved, but he was.

Haish's patent is linked at the end of the article. More detail might take some digging. --Blainster 22:07, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Also I think this article could use some reorganization, maybe some different subheads and some text moved around, what do you folks think? A mcmurray 17:49, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

It is difficult to comment without knowing what you have in mind re: organizing. How would you respond if someone else asked the same question? Either explain what you want to do if you think it's a big change, or just be bold and take a stab at it. --Blainster 22:07, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
A history section describing the development in the DeKalb area would be good to add, with the contributions of Rose, Haish, Ellwood, and Glidden. --Blainster 16:33, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Didn't mean to fall off on this one, just got occupied with other tasks. I will try to do a review of the article soon and post a to do list or something, maybe an improvement drive is warranted, considering the importance of barbed wire.A mcmurray 22:49, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Military usage[edit]

Somehow the importance of barbed wire, razor wire, and concertina wire in military usage seems not to be reflected in the article. It was particularly important in the Trench warfare of World War I. LeadSongDog come howl 17:57, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Human Bridges[edit]

Infantrymen are often trained and inured to the injuries caused by barbed wire. Several soldiers lay across the wire forming a bridge for the rest of the formation to pass over. Often any injury thus incurred is due to the tread of those passing over and not to the wire itself.

I'm removing this as it lacks any source. It falls in the category of "things likely to be challenged," and so I'm removing it outright rather than tagging.

I think it may be a reference to exceptional behavior at e.g. Cowra and the Golan Heights, but it's very definitely not standard behavior, much less something soldiers are trained to do.

Been there, done that. British Army cadets, 1970s. I've restored it as it needs citation, but it's not as outlandish as all that.
The trick is thick clothing, and not moving at all sideways. You also can't get up easily afterwards (without causing entanglement), so it's best to have comrades lift you clear. Andy Dingley (talk) 19:48, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
I stand corrected, thank you. Unfortunately I don't know where to find a citation either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.173.63.60 (talk) 03:29, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Installation[edit]

I think this sentence needs some amendment: "If an 8" post is * feet in length is driven four feet into the ground the brace post assembly can be omitted." I'm not really sure what is intended here. If it is just my obtuseness, I apologise in advance. Dawright12 (talk) 12:50, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

I think what is meant is that if a corner post is driven deeply enough into the ground it does not need bracing. However, the phrase is not only garbled but plain wrong: it would only work in very hard ground, and only while the post retains its full strength. Either it will pull over, or the post will snap when it begins to soften. A strut or guy means it will stay up very much longer, because it does not rely on the strength of the ground nor the rigidity of the post. An unbraced post can only really be used for very shallow corners of 5 degrees or perhaps 10 at a pinch. I have one fence with a corner post made of a telegraph pole 11 feet long and 10 inches wide, driven 8 feet into the ground – and it still needs struts... I've removed the sentence. Richard New Forest (talk) 21:49, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Bans[edit]

Use is banned for animal fences at least in some countries, for safety and animal welfare reasons. Finland at least, can't say for others. Pitke (talk) 18:51, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Not in the USA, Not sure the laws back east, but it's actually the only "legal" wire fence allowed in Montana, technically (rail fences also being legal, but stuff like high tensile smooth wire is a legal gray area here). Which, as a horse owner, drives me nuts -- my neighbor keeps insisting that I should rip out my smooth wire and electric and replace it with barbed wire. Yeah, right! =:-O Montanabw(talk) 21:06, 27 August 2012 (UTC)