Talk:Barbie

Cancer research Barbie

they have made a cancer barbie to promote cancer reaserch.(98.164.231.36)

This seems to refer to the Farrah Fawcett Barbie. Strictly speaking, this is a doll of Farrah Fawcett rather than Barbie, and it is mentioned in Fawcett's article.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 20:25, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Barbie in Iran

Barbie has done it all wrong in Iran again, according to Iran Attacks an Old Enemy: Barbie in the New York Times today. This does not seem to add much to what is already in the article.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 09:31, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Lilli

Is there an article on the Lilli comic? As the origin for the doll, an article would be good. 70.24.247.54 (talk) 15:26, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Bild Lilli doll is an article which mentions the doll's comic book origins, but there is no separate article for the comic. The German language Wikipedia article for Bild-Lilli may be helpful, here it is in Google Translate.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 15:37, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

In respect to Barbie's waistline:

The real reason Barbie's waistline was so much smaller than her bust and hips was due to seam lines in her clothing. Because the bulkiness of bodice and skirt seams meeting, the waist had to be smaller so the clothing would look "normal". It was all about how the clothing fell. The clothing made in the 50's, 60's, 70's, and early 80's were quality pieces made with quality sewing practices. Barbie actually had style lines/darts unlike todays playline counterparts. They used quality fabrics. Barbie also had undergarments like petticoats, panties, you name it to fit under her dresses. So her waist had to be smaller to allow the seams and the undergarments to look natural. Undressed, sure she does not look right, but if you see a dressed doll of that era she looks somewhat proportionate. As proportionate as you can be with a doll. And don't forget women were curvier in the 1950's/1960's. Marilyn Munroe - perfect example of the hour glass figure (large bust, small waist, large hips), Barbie just reflected that. And as a Barbie Collector, I feel it is a bit disparaging to regurgitate "If she were a real person she'd be anorexic etc, etc.", because she is NOT REAL, she is a DOLL, she never has been real. And NO TOY should be anyone's moral compass - that is the parents' job. --Countdemoney (talk) 21:48, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

It has been said before that one of the reasons why Barbie's waist is so thin is so that the clothes can hang naturally on her waist. Since the stitches in cloth are difficult to scale down, the waist was made smaller so that a more natural effect was obtained. This could be in the article if some reliable sourcing was available.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:09, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

"Mattel has said that Barbie’s waist was originally made so tiny because the waistbands of clothes that she wore, with their seams, snaps, and zippers, added bulk to her figure." -New York Times, "Barbie (Doll) article by Yona Zeldis McDonough dated Oct. 21, 2010 http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/reference/timestopics/subjects/b/barbie_doll/index.html Countdemoney (talk) 23:08, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Added to the article, thanks for finding this. Wallis Simpson is supposed to have said "A woman can't be too rich or too thin", but critics of Barbie beg to differ. Mattel has never claimed that the doll is an exact 1:6 scale model, and the difficulty in scaling down cloth and stitching led to the waistline being made smaller. This was designed to make Barbie more realistic with her clothes on, but with the clothes removed, the waist does look unrealistically thin.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:23, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

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