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A few changes[edit]

I need to do some changes to added new information of Barcelona. I will delate 2 photos that i will put in the gallery tomorrow. --Arnau Poveda Mira (talk) 10:38, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

The changes made have been a lot more than what you promised here. You have made over 62 edits on today's date alone, with no edit summary and no further discussion in any talk page. This is a large, important article, currently rated B-class. Any edits made should be with an eye to improving the assessment given. With this much energy dedicated to improving the article, it should be Good Article or even Featured Article class by now. The kinds of edits I expect to see are: improving references and archiving news articles to avoid link rot. Copy-editing for proper English prose and flow of sentences. Looking for ways to split large sections into their own articles. Improving the quality of images. Now the kinds of edits made in the last couple of days have been: deleting images. Mangling prose and interspersing it with image files. Moving whitespace around so it looks like vast paragraphs have been changed, but really the changes are minimal. Please discuss further what improvements can be made to the article and what we can do to make this a Good Article in the near future. Elizium23 (talk) 00:30, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

A short review: From what I've reviewed, most of the changes are inconsequential at best but, quite frankly, it would be difficult to make the article worse. Currently the article reads as a (poorly written) travel guide and makes glowing assertions that, as far as I can tell, are not supported by the citation. The lead is also a mess and pretty much needs a complete rewrite with much of the information moved into the economy section (or dumped all together in regards to the near-endless lines of statistical puffery). Instead of moving pictures around, there needs to be a motion to remove at least half of the 40 images in the main article space. There also needs to be a discussion as to whether to keep that "Other sights" gallery, which certainly makes it sound like a travel guide. Most good/feature article reviewers frown on articles having a gallery like that; this is an encyclopedia, not WikiCommons or Flickr. Best, epicAdam(talk) 01:25, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

I agree with user epicAdam. The lead is ridiculously overstuffed with statistical puffery and inconsequential facts, and does read like a poorly-written travel guide. Most readers will not care that Barcelona is supposedly the 16th most "livable city" in the world according to a lifestyle magazine or that it supposedly is the seventh most important fashion capital in the world. Such dubious information doesn't belong in an encyclopedia. Also, it is wearisome to be constantly cleaning up after editors who have trouble writing a coherent sentence in English, and a mystery to me why they are allowed to run rampant throughout the WikiProject Spain, spoiling articles with apparent impunity. Carlstak (talk) 12:14, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

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Inclusion of dubious ranking of "third best beach in the world" with non-authoritative source[edit]

Certain parties have a habit of stuffing the article with inconsequential and poorly supported "facts". The Discovery Channel is a laughably poor source for the dubious contention that Barcelona has the third best beach in the world. Also, editors should at least make the effort of ensuring that their contributions are intelligible in English. Carlstak (talk) 20:38, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

"third best beach in the world"? and what you want? to have the scientist source to this? Scientists do not make these statistics. National Geographic and Discovery Channel is good source to this, and - both have one sentence - the best urban/city beach in the world. Subtropical-man (talk) 21:22, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
I have reverted your last edit because the sources you give do not support the statement that "Barcelona beach gained the status of best urban beach in the world". The National Geographic source does not say that Barcelona has the best urban beach in the world, it merely lists it among the top 10 beach cities, and there is no link to the Discovery Channel source. Carlstak (talk) 04:04, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
You are wrong. Title of source is "Top 10 Beach Cities - National Geographic" and first place - Barcelona; 2. Cape Town, South Africa, 3. Honolulu, Hawaii etc.... This table shows clearly. Only you have problems with this, you still have problems, please stop. Please stop trolling's and edit-wars. Subtropical-man (talk) 17:16, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
You really should give up these comical temper tantrums, they don't become you. You provided no link to the Discovery Channel source. Please stop inserting personal comments in your edit summaries. Carlstak (talk) 02:53, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Article lede cleanup[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested. Please do not modify it. This application relates to changes that affect a larger number of articles. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the general talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

I propose that these inconsequential factoids be deleted from the article lede: "Barcelona is the 14th most "livable city" in the world according to lifestyle magazine Monocle.[11] Similarly, according to Innovation Analysts 2thinknow, Barcelona occupies 13th place in the world on Innovation Cities™ Global Index".

This is unimportant information in an important article about a world-class city and serves only to clutter the lede with trivia. Carlstak (talk) 03:09, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

I strongly concur. AdeMiami (talk) 08:57, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Disagree This is important data. Furthermore, data about "livable city" and "Innovation cities" is standard in Wikipedia in articles about world-class cities. Deleting data from one article - only Barcelona? It is not possible. It would be favoring or 'kneading' one article, such things can not be done. You do not want this information in the articles about cities? OK, make a "general discussion" on this topic (rule for all cities). Subtropical-man (talk) 13:37, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
Done. I shorten the intro (about 1/3), less important data was transferred to a separate sections. Subtropical-man (talk) 16:45, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Obsolete 2008 statistic[edit]

This sentence keeps getting reinstated:

"Also, among world centres of commerce it took second place in economic stability in 2008.[59]"

It is out of date and also (sadly) ironic - now that Spain is in the throes of a severe financial crisis. Why do people keep returning it after I remove it? Bazuz (talk) 22:19, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

It's because User:Subtropical-man (talk) asserts ownership over any bit of data he adds to an article, and wages an edit war against anyone who removes any of his edits, no matter how superfluous or outdated, or how unreliable his source. Look at his talk page. Carlstak (talk) 22:44, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
So what do you propose to do, then? Bazuz (talk) 23:37, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
2007–2012 global financial crisis is global i.e. crisis does not exist only in Spain. If you have later data than 2008, please give data and source. Subtropical-man (talk) 16:39, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Are you by any chance aware of the fact that Spain is one of the countries hit hardest by the crisis? Come on, sticking to that 2008 survey is ludicrous. I strongly contend that it has to go anyway - but I'll try to play softball here and look for some more recent data; although I also think that in principle such "rankings" are more or less ephemeral and have no place in wikipedia. Bazuz (talk) 19:41, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I wanted to get to the bottom of this. I looked up the original report [1] and here is what I found out, sit tight - it's not just an index of economic stability, it's an aggregate index of seven different "dimensions" of which stability is one (and weighted only at 10% at that). True, in stability Barcelona ranked 2nd in 2008. But in the aggregate it ranked 38th out of 75. Smack in the middle and actually a drop down from 33rd in 2007.

What gives? That the "2nd place in stability" is a cherry-picked statistic, included here while the larger context in which it had been published is ignored. This is, to be charitable, very poor scholarship. I am going to delete again this statistic - and if you want so badly to refer to that report, please include the whole thing this time. Bazuz (talk) 09:46, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

This topic is closed although not whole Spain is in the throes of a severe financial crisis. Madrid Community and Catalonia with Barcelona cope well with the crisis :-) Subtropical-man (talk) 16:49, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Hatnote should NOT contain a football club[edit]

Madrid or Munich does not have hatnotes about their (also extremely famous) football clubs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.22.21.3 (talk) 12:56, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Possible copyright problem[edit]

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