Talk:Bartender

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Minimum requirements

Bartenders have to have their grade 12 education to work in a bar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.216.215.4 (talk • contribs) December 7, 2005

this is not correct..do not listen to this man you do not need a high school diploma or GED to work as a bartender... bartending is considered in the food industry, which does not require finishing high school or accquiring a GED. A diploma is preferred though in most places, or GED —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.235.29.73 (talk) 17:06, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Terminology

As I understand it, in the UK 'barkeep' is short for 'barkeeper' which specifically means someone who *owns* a bar, not someone who just serves drinks in one Justinep 21:59, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Mixologist should certainly not be merged into bartender since it indicates not only stature (a mixologist isn't a type of bartender), but rather an education/understanding of the art/craft of creating/mixing drinks. Suggesting that a Mixologist is a sort of Bartender is akin to suggesting that an architect is a sort of construction worker. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.131.246.82 (talk • contribs) August 6, 2006

I agree. Jennyfurrr03 (talk) 16:58, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Bar a place where where we drink, tender which means kindness, so bartender means a place where we drink which has kindness. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.232.8.8 (talk • contribs) October 20, 2006

"to tend" means to manage or look after. A bartender looks after a bar. I don't know why you would think it refers to a place. 142.150.41.57 00:09, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Personally, i believe that the word bartender reforms some sort of annotation to a group name more then an exact individual. For example, i WOULD say that a mixologist is a type of bartender. This along with the pubtenders, clubtenders and flair bartenders. For example again, flair bartenders (especially some extreme ones) don't actually work in bars but are still classed under that category. Mixologists are those certain bartenders that have a wider range of insight into the industry of cocktails, and their history, but still being underlined into the category of bartenders.

Consider a classroom with mixologists being the geeks, flairtenders being the cool kids (who don't study) and all others that go in between the both, knowing a more limited knowledge in both other topics.

but thats just my opinion. x —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.192.34.236 (talk) 19:13, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Anime

Nice reference to the Bartender anime. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.63.32.184 (talk • contribs) October 20, 2006

Historical question

What is the black armband that many older bartenders are shown wearing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.178.120.10 (talk • contribs) January 9, 2007

That's a good question. Though in movies, I have seen other colors (like red or white) worn, too. These were mostly in old "Westerns" and it was the barkeep in the saloons who usually wore them. I never really thought about it before. If anyone has an answer, I'd be curious to know, too. --Willscrlt (Talk·Cntrb) 09:07, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Our "head" bartender wears one. It strengthens your grip. Said bartender also has carpal tunnel so that helps out even more. Scientific evidence? No. Does it work? Yes. (i would try it myself even though im pretty young).--Ijnixon (talk) 00:45, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I wear one of the armbands that you guys have been writing about.

You see there was the original reason why you wear them and that is the keep your sleeves out of the way when, dining/drinking/writing etc....originally any men would wear them, especially those who wore suits. Bartenders use them for the same reason along with a couple other perks....it keeps your sleeves higher, looks fashionable (in my opinion) and its also a good place to hold your money when dealing with multiple customers. You can buy them usually in john lewis in the metallic form, gold or silver. This is probably a more modernised version of the old western thick fabric bands.

check them out, there quite a cool accessory for men when wearing shirts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.192.34.236 (talk) 19:05, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually the main reason for armbands today is a place to hold bottle openers so that they are easily accesible when opening up a bunch of bottles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.187.53.20 (talk) 07:46, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Sleeve garter Izuko (talk) 09:16, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

"underpaid therapist"

It seems like "underpaid therapist" is a colloquial term for a bartender, and not an official name. I would suggest that "underpaid therapist" be taken out of the article to keep up with Wiki's standards of professional editingAznsamiam 04:11, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Legal underage serving

in california it is legal of for a person to server alcohol as long as they are not

"acting in the capacity of a bartender and the service occurs in an area primarily designed and used for the sale and service of food for consumption on the premises."

however no where is it clearly stated what the capacity of a bartender is. anybody have any ideas? 204.128.192.37 03:41, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

The bartender is one the who who stays within the bounds of the bar, usually wearing a protective face mask, and moves back and forth with his stick trying to prevents the opposing team from scoring a goal.208.127.240.173 (talk) 13:28, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Jeffrey Houlton, Relevance

Is the part about Jeffrey Houlton, an Ottawa bartender actually relevant? Is it in the correct location? This seems rather out of place and irrelevant, but I didn't want to remove it as I am not sure if there is actually some relevance that I do not know about.Ajh16 (talk) 14:08, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

External links

This section is very helpful. Tank520 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.44.12.45 (talk) 16:04, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Photo

The bartender in the picture is Robert Gold, one of the most well known banquet bartenders in the D.C. area. He has a trained hundreds of bartenders to tend bar in this unique style which includes setting up the bar in exactly the configuration shown in the picture so that the bartender can maintain eye contact with the customer, the result is efficient and entertaining, and increased tips! 71.179.82.233 (talk) 04:24, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Cultural references

Need a section about pop culture references to bartending: television shows like Cheers, characters like Moe from The Simpsons, and Penny from The Big Bang Theory (who has acted as a bartender in several episodes); films like Cocktail (Tom Cruise), Coyote Ugly, Star Wars (Wuher in the Mos Eisley Cantina), and The Shining (Lloyd the bartender); songs like "Hey Bartender" and probably many others; other possible works; and bartenders being stereotyped as pop psychologist, therapist, marriage counselor, life coach, etc. --No1inparticularhere (talk) 11:42, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

"As in Sweden?"

I know from personal observation that Texas has a law against serving drunks. I think I also observed this in Michigan. I would not be surprised if every state does. Scott Tillinghast, Houston TX (talk) 06:46, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

It is also an offence to serve a drunk in the UK.2.26.12.88 (talk) 01:34, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

And in Germany. Of course as far as that goes, at least in Germany "drunk" means "drunk", not "visibly under the influence".--2001:A61:260D:6E01:F58F:7BD6:B1DF:40FD (talk) 13:44, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Tipping

I removed the following problematic sentence:

In North America, where tipping is a local custom, bartenders depend on tips for most of their income.

This includes a reference to Guide to Tipping Etiquette in New York City which is not a reliable reference in the first place (sponsored by the service sector?), is highly parochial at best, and doesn't even pretend to support this assertion.

In part it's problematic because I don't think this is true in Canada (I have no knowledge of Mexico).

Tipping in Canada, as I understand it (not having been directly employed in the service industry), is almost always supplemental to some kind basic, nearly livable wage, which I believe can range from the majority of one's income (low tipping environment, such as a undistinguished lounge bar) to a minor portion of one's income (high tipping environment, such as a crowded party bar near an NHL arena). Many in Canada tip 15% routinely on any form of passable service, if we tip at all (i.e. a staff person carries something to our table, a taxi ride that ends well, or a hair stylist) and a minor cleaning-staff gratuity after a hotel stay. Beyond that short list, things tend to get a bit Australian. It's not an assumption that every person in the service industry is mainly on the tip dole. Basically, we hardly know when we're supposed to tip, so we tip like a fearful penny-pinching Scotsman, who mostly tips to avoid social friction, and kind of wishes tipping wasn't customary in the first place, although we do like to make our cheerful service person happy, too. — MaxEnt 22:24, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi MaxEnt,

I'm a bit surprised to hear your perspective on Canada. Having grown up in Nova Scotia and having known servers in NS, Ontario and Alberta, perhaps "most of their income" is a bit of an overstatement, but I think that "much of" would be completely accurate. It's true that every service job is backed by a minimum wage (albeit lower than the general minimum wage in British Columbia, Ontario and Quebec), but I've got to disagree with your point about the "nearly livable wage". Minimum wage, reduced for servers or not, is just over half of a livable wage in major cities such as Halifax and Toronto. It is expected, when taking one of these jobs, that tips will constitute a major supplement to the minimum wage paid. Prymal (talk) 23:00, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

References

Page Improvement and Translation

Hi all, I'm keen to work on taking the Multiple Issues banner off this page as I see that it is of Top Importance for the Bartending Taskforce.

As far as improving the worldwide view of the article, is the goal to add perspective from more countries, or to replace it with content which is location-neutral?

For improving citations, is it just the UK section which is short on citation? The rest of it seems to have citations throughout.

I'm considering translating across the content from the French Wikipedia, but I can already see two issues:

- it is of a completely different format to the existing English article, with headings General Conditions, Required Qualities, Training, and Materials and Workplace.

- It is completely devoid of citations (not sure how to add the Need Citations banner to the French Wiki). To what extent can common knowledge be uploaded without citation?

Thanks!

Prymal (talk) 20:43, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Bartender

Server Job Responsibilities: Serves patrons by providing information to help food and beverage selections; presenting ordered choices; maintaining dining ambiance.

Server Job Duties: Prepares room for dining by clothing tables and setting decorations, condiments, candles, napkins, service plates, and utensils. Protects establishment and patrons by adhering to sanitation, safety, and alcohol beverage control policies. Helps patrons select food and beverages by presenting menu; offering cocktails and aperitifs; suggesting courses; explaining the chef's specialties; identifying appropriate wines; answering food preparation questions. Transmits orders to bar and kitchen by recording patrons' choices; identifying patrons' special dietary needs and special requests. Keeps kitchen staff informed by noting timing of meal progression. Serves orders by picking up and delivering patrons' choices from bar and kitchen; delivering accompaniments and condiments from service bars. Responds to additional patron requirements by inquiring of needs; observing dining process. Maintains table setting by removing courses as completed; replenishing utensils; refilling water glasses; being alert to patron spills or other special needs. Concludes dining experience by acknowledging choice of restaurant; inviting patrons to return. Obtains revenues by totaling charges; issuing bill; accepting payment; delivering bill and payment to hostperson; returning change or credit card and signature slip to patrons. Contributes to team effort by accomplishing related results as needed. Server Skills and Qualifications: General Math Skills, Verbal Communication, Customer Service, Resolving Conflict, Teamwork, Persistence, Energy Level, Selling to Customer Needs, Thoroughness, Professionalism, Client Relationships — Preceding unsigned comment added by ZepengBen (talk • contribs) 07:17, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

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Proposed merge of The Craft of Mixology into Bartender

Much of the information here is already covered at Bartender, I suggest merging the information. Raladic (talk) 04:04, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Do it, I didn't even know that article existed. ɱ (talk) 04:11, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

• Merge - no need for 2 articles. Would be nice if the article creator would do this.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 11:33, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

  Y Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 15:00, 20 June 2023 (UTC)