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Sagardotegis et al
Iepa Iñaki! A few thoughts - I didn't realise that the sagardotegi preceded the baserri, I'd assumed it was the other way round. Interesting. Either way, I was thinking that we could potentially take this article to GA or maybe even FA one day, so it would be good if we could ref anything we add straight away if we can. So far the only Basque related GA is Erromintxela and there is no FA - it would be really great if we could better the score if you're interested.
- Hi Akerbeltz, Hey, right away..., It's Ok, liked the rephrasing. I'm quite on/off with the Wikipedia and don't know exactly what this GA FA thing is about. So it's about a rating, right? I'll try to find something, but not sure if I can bring together all the scattered pieces again, I mean don't know where the references are. Jaso agur bero bat Iñaki LL (talk) 00:38, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
References and info add
Aupa Akerbeltz, zelan??? I added some information based on the reference provided (based largely in Gipuzkoa). Cohesiveness can be an issue, and hope it's not contradictory in any of the points. Maybe the the nobiliary thing in the 14 and 15th centuries should be cleared up, since there were these jauntxos battling against each other and at the same time abusing the farmers..., so there was nobility, right? This can look contradictory. Feel free to do any comments or change things if they can be put better (English, content, etc.). By the way, didn't know Erromintxela was yours, zorionak for it, hope this helps upgrade this article too. Cheers Iñaki LL (talk) 23:10, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
- I'll check it over and probably pick up a source or two later in the year to extend the article but eskerrik asko for your input, it's much more fun if it's not just yourself!
- Yes, I did most of the work on the Erromintxela article - with the big help of some reviewers when I got to the stage of nominating it. And yes, GA and FA are on the grading scale (with stubs at the bottom). And there's too many Basque articles which are just plain confusing. Basque rural sports is another one I'd like to get to GA but much of that is hard to ref so I might concentrate on the Baserri first or maybe a subpage such as Aizkolaritza. One thing though about the surname section - Basque surnames clearly refer to houses but couldn't that just be any house i.e. in a town or baserri? Take a name like Elizalde or Goikotxea, do we know these stem only from baserris? Akerbeltz (talk) 11:08, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
- Definitely, more fun with more people contributing. The Baserri article of the Gipuzkoako Foru Aldundia is pretty good, but since the Basque Country is not Gipuzkoa, it would be nice to find more info on Baserris in other provinces. Since I hail from Alava, the kind of settlement pattern is a bit different from that of Gipuzkoa and I can't remember any baserri in the area of the Plains (Agurain, Gasteiz and around), off the top of my head. I would say that in the Mediterranean watershed of the Basque Country or the flat areas they are inexistent but can't confirm. Any especific info about that? About the surnames, I don't think they come only from baserris when they refer to a house, it refers to a place, which in Alava or Navarre especially is often a village, e.g. Luzuriaga, Amatrain, Lasarte, Estivariz... Actually, the name of the baserri (hence the surname) is older than the baserri (the building). Tell me sth when you have released your book (languages, right?). Izan ongi Iñaki LL (talk) 13:47, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Romans and Muslims?
This sentence Actually, this areas went through a more thorough Romanisation, in which the ancient Roman fundi provided the grounds for the new small population clusters and villages that dotted the whole region at the turn of the first millenium, after Muslim raids stopped. doesn't really make sense - the Romans never fought the Arabs, that was way later... Akerbeltz (talk) 16:07, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
- O..., long gone! I overlooked this. Perhaps I haven´t expressed it correctly. The Roman fundi provided the initial nucleus to build the later villages. These small population nuclei (former Roman mansions or villa), mentioned circa 1050 (Reja de San Millán), developed after the Caliphal raids came to an end. Iñaki LL (talk) 03:57, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
Inheritance of the baserri
I happened to read this statement about the beneficiaries of the property. I haven´t read this on Trask, I don´t have the book, but to say that it would be inherited by no matter what child (first born or younger offspring), is just strange. It was the oldest male who inherited the baserri (premua), at least during the 18, 19 and 20th century. I have heard of cases on which women would inherit it, but it was just not the customary way. Iñaki LL (talk) 03:57, 15 February 2013 (UTC)