Talk:Basilica of Saint Paul Outside the Walls

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Old comments[edit]

a mass is not a service... i fixed that mistake.

roger - a mass is not a service. i fixed that mistake.

name[edit]

The complete name of the church is Basilica di San Paolo Fuori le Mura and thus should be moved from "Saint Paul outside the walls" to the more proper "Basilica of Saint Paul Outside the Walls." --Gerald Farinas 16:49, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I agree. Please move it, if there are no objections. --Panairjdde 10:19, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
Since there are no objections, I'm moving this page to Basilica di San Paolo fuori le Mura.  :: Salvo (talk) 02:39, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

I do oppose the move. English language media appear to use the English name "Basilica of Saint Paul Outside the Walls" much more than the Italian name. We should stay with the most common name in English, per policy. Jonathunder 15:17, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Someone should finally work up a naming convention for Italian churches, IMO. —Nightstallion (?) 09:48, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Someone should finally work up a naming convention for titles of pages on English Wiki. Keep it in English, and reword the introductory sentence. "San Paulo fuori le Mura - known in English as" uh, the Italian should, if anything, be the sidenote. The Jackal God 23:32, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

It absolutely should be moved. Or Santa Maria Maggiore and San Lorenzo and who knows which others should be moved back. It makes no sense to not have a convention and stick to it. Personally, i would be in favour of going with the Italian names; but if that's not agreeable to all, then English; but let's stick to one language. Cheers, Lindsay 17:15, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

In an English-language encyclopedia, one uses English unless the foreign word (e.g. Notre Dame cathedral, Paris) is well-established. It's not idiomatic in English to begin with "Basilica of". The commonest expression is "St Paul's Outside the Walls" just as other idiomatic forms are "St Peter's Basilica" or "St Peter's, Rome", "St John Lateran" and "St Mary Majors".

spelling and grammar[edit]

It needs a clean up. Can it be marked with a suitable banner?

Italian government[edit]

Great article, overall. But I have one quibble. The article says:

  • On July 15, 1823 a fire...resulted in the almost total destruction of the basilica.... The work on the principal facade, looking toward the Tiber, was completed by the Italian Government, which declared the church a national monument. The basilica was reopened in 1840...

So far as I'm aware, there was no "Italian government" in 1823 or even 1840. The unification of Italy didn't occur until decades later. Does anyone know the source for this apparent error?   Will Beback  talk  07:24, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I found it. The material is a direct copy from the 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia:

  • The work on the principal facade, looking toward the Tiber, was completed by the Italian Government, which declared the church a national monument. [1]

I'm mystified that a 1913 book would be so inaccurate about the Italian history of the previous century. And I'm disappointed that this was copied without attribution, which is plagiarism even if the book is out of copyright.   Will Beback  talk  07:32, 15 June 2009 (UTC)