Talk:Basque pelota

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hi, there


What are the rules for pilota valenciana?, seems like a real "street sport", nice.

More links about "Pilota valenciana"[edit]

Tagarinet's web


Lots of info from a pilota fan about professional and amateur competitions. Videos too. http://pilota.tagarinet.com/portada.htm

Museu de Pilota del Genovés


Webpage of a local museum devoted to Pilota in the little village of Genovés. http://www.museupilota.com There's a multimedia section [[1]] with videos, 3D views, and an online game simulating a one-on-one "escala i corda" match [[2]].

7 online videos about a mythical match: Genovés I versus Sarasol I. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pilota+valenciana&search=Search

More than 100 pics about different variants of "Pilota valenciana": http://www.flickr.com/photos/56796547@N00/

Videos of "Escala i Corda" one-on-one matches available on P2P programs such as eMule: - Final Individual 1993: Genovés I - Sarasol I (small videos) - Final Individual 1995: Genovés I - Àlvaro (final "jocs", very emotive) - Final Individual 2004: Àlvaro-Genovés II (whole match, but a strange one)

Ireland???[edit]

Where is the evidence that pilota is played in Ireland? I'm Irish and I've never heard of pilota being played here. An Muimhneach Machnamhach 17:35, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

maybe here ---> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaelic_handball?  ;-)

Links in Catalan and Spanish[edit]

The link to the Catalan wikipedia version of this page should point to [[3]] instead of [[4]], since this one talks about Basque Pilota and the first one talks about Basque and Valencian Pilota.

Also, the Spanish pointed page is [[5]], which obviously talks only about Basque Pilota. There is a Spanish page about Valencian Pilota, [[6]], but the Spanish Wikipedia has no page merging both games, as the English and Catalan Wikipedias do.

Shouldn't be two articles?[edit]

As far as I can discern, Valencian ball game and Basque one are very dissimilar, specially because Basque ball is played in a court and Valencian is not. I really don't know how could they play against each other with such different rules. I have never heard of Valencian ball players matching against Basque ones. Some Castilians maybe, specially from La Rioja.

I'm going to expand the Basque section anyhow but please, consider splitting. --Sugaar 08:54, 28 October 2006 (UTC)


Until XIX century and the new "ble" variant, Basques used to play pilota "a la larga". similar to Valencian "llargues". There are many sources refering to this game in navarre during XVI and XVI centuries. According to "El gran libro de la pelota", Luis Bombín y Rodolfo Bozas (Madrid, 1976), a Valencian player, Amigó, and an Aragonese player, Legasa, got a lot of money challenging local players to "llargues" games. Also, that book refers Fernando VII Spanish king asking Valencian and Basque players to play "llargues" for him in 1821 in Madrid.

But it seems to be something historical. Really, I've never seen Valencian pilota players but, would they play Basque style, they would be in the championships (that typically have an all-Spain frame, even players are only Basques and some Riojans - Titín III).
In the Basque Wikiproject some are considering splitting the article and maybe merging with Jai Alai or at least some partial merge. --Sugaar 13:34, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Nowadays Valencian and Basque pilotaris only play challenge matches on summertime, nothing serious.
Valencian pilotaris have to play "frontó", which is seldom played in the Land of Valencia. Also Valencian and Basque "frontons" are different, the Valencian one is much shorter and there's a wall behind, so balls may bounce there, that's very usual in Valencian "trinquets" but almost never seen in Basque "frontons".
Also, the ball used in Valencian and Basque "frontons" are different. Basque ball is about 100gr.,slow and very big, while Valencian ball is about 40gr.,faster and much smaller.
That's why, in the Valencian-Basque challenges, all players use an ad-hoc made 70gr. ball nobody likes.
I'd suggest you to take a look at the "Pilota valenciana" Frediesport shop http://www.frediesport.com/, there's a "pilota" (balls) section with data and pics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.120.184.239 (talkcontribs)
Very interesting info indeed, thanks, but I still think the article should be split in two, with reciprocal links at the see also section for mutual reference. --Sugaar 00:11, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I agree in splitting in two as it has been done in Catalan (ca:Pilota valenciana and ca:Pilota basca) and Spanish (es:Pelota valenciana and es:Pelota vasca) and because there are two separate international federations: Internacional Ball Sport Federation and International Federation of Basque Pelota. --Vriullop 10:13, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

like this: http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joc_de_pilota

I split this page and move all the Valencian pilota info to its own page: Valencian pilota.
Please consider creating a Basque pilota page and let this one, Pilota, as the Catalan Joc de pilota is.
--Casaforra 19:20, 31 December 2006 (UTC)


Basque Pelota[edit]

I think the title of the article and all the references to the name of the sport should be changed to "Basque Pelota", as this is the official English translation encouraged by the International Federation of Basque Pelota. Moreover, this is the name with which this sport is known in Anglophonic Countries like the United States--LeChimp 14:00, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't it be Basque pelota? --Error 02:42, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Missing key information[edit]

The rules section describes the court and explains the basic differences between variants, but it's missing something important: the rules! It doesn't even explain how a team scores. Also, it says the Basque pelota was in the Olympics a few times, but none of the variants is described as primary. Which type of pelota was played in the Olympics? Finally, the intro says that the International Federation of Basque Pelota has standardized two or three forms (if they're standardized, there should be some definitive number), but the list of variants gives several and does not say which of them are "official". — Gwalla | Talk 05:38, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. Just added the basic rules for hand-pelota. Akerbeltz (talk) 09:59, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Merger[edit]

I'm not for merging. Granted, it's a stub at the moment but most varieties of pelota are quite capable of filling a page. Just haven't had the time yet. Akerbeltz (talk) 20:44, 15 July 2009 (UTC)