Talk:Bat Ye'or

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2012-08 late[edit]

What is the meaning of "late" in "She was married from 1959 to the late British historian and human rights advocate David Littman" ? Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:52, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

That he is passed away.--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 20:58, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for your answer. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:10, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Conspiracy theorist[edit]

This is unsourced and even if it was, would still need to decide whether it's right to include it in the first sentence. Christopher Connor (talk) 04:11, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Presently there's one Liz Fekete, executive director of the "Institute of Race Relations", a far left NGO, and one "freelance journalist Matt Carr,", self avowed Marxist, both writing for the far left publication Race & Class, plus one Norwegian journalist and some fringe practitioners of related social studies, who make that claim. That's to be had by the thousands if we wanted, and for anyone not pleasing the particular political sensitivities of these groups. I don't even think they qualify as reliable sources, eventually I might deal with that after reading up on WP regulations. Anyway, such a strong sentiment right in the lead is a violation of WP:BLP if lacking relevant and notable reliable sources, as the lead summarizes the subject's principal claim to notability, so "Conspiracy theorist" right upfront gives undue weight. It certainly does not justify reverts without comment or participation on talk. --tickle me 23:57, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Race and Class is a Sage journal. Itsmejudith (talk) 15:56, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Some links:

Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:56, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Just because some people have called some of her work conspiracy theories, doesn't mean we put in Wikipedia's voice she's a "conspiracy theorist" in the first sentence. This isn't Alex Jones. Christopher Connor (talk) 18:49, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
She is. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:34, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
I agree that it's a little too forward to call Ye'or a "conspiracy theorist" in the lead. Obviously, there's enough of this assessment from published reviews of her work to mention this in "Reception". Also, I should mention that since this is the English Wikipedia, most if not all editors are only going to weigh in on English sources. Ender and Peter 05:13, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Inadequate lead"[edit]

Our guidelines say "The lead should be able to stand alone as a concise overview. It should define the topic, establish context, explain why the topic is notable, and summarize the most important points—including any prominent controversies.[2] The emphasis given to material in the lead should roughly reflect its importance to the topic, according to reliable, published sources, and the notability of the article's subject is usually established in the first few sentences." Clearly we do not do summarise the most important points in the lead, in particular the controversies. Dougweller (talk) 12:36, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

I concur. The lead forget the criticism and controversies. Also, the first § state that she "writes about the history of Middle Eastern Christian and Jewish dhimmis living under Islamic governments", forgoting all she wrote about Europe (books Eurabia: The Euro-Arab Axis and Europe, Globalization, and the Coming of the Universal Caliphate, and many articles). The second § mention Eurabia: The Euro-Arab Axis but not Europe, Globalization, and the Coming of the Universal Caliphate. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:25, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

"Far Left" Conspiracy[edit]

A part of that "Eurabia" conspiracy as well as with other unproven and absurd "theories" that the free world is in the hands of "leftists" ( media, governments...), "antisemites" and "anti-Americans" is the claim that all people who call this nonsense are on the left and therefore part of the conspiracy. You just follow the rule that any rumour will become a "fact" with each objection it must provoke. Rightwing Americans especially have been screaming at the top of their voices that anything that is not their own press is "leftist" propaganda for ages. Israel-lobbyists have been defaming anyone as an antisemite if that person does not follow the course of the most radical forms of Zionism. (E.Zeh) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.225.225.12 (talk) 10:45, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Well, yes. But this is a discussion page about the article about Bat Ye'or. Any improvements needed? Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 06:48, 26 February 2014 (UTC)