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[edit] No Need
I see there to be no need for the homosexual section. It is citing a minor viewpoint and uses outdated references.--Valkyrie Red (talk) 00:08, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
- It's a genuine area of academic interest that forms a major part of the character's public perception. There isn't a need insofar as you believe that to be true, but you're wrong, so there's really not a case to be argued there.Zythe (talk) 11:20, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
- Maybe I'm grossly mistaken, but didn't the perception of Batman being possibly homosexual play some part in the Comics Code Authority being created? Again, this is what I'm led to believe, but if true, that alone makes the homosexuality aspect of the article relevant and necessary. Regardless of my possible misunderstanding of this, it is also something that is addressed in culture, so to ignore it would be inappropriate and unfair to readers, as it is an aspect that carries some weight. Wikipedia is WP:NOTCENSORED, and not liking it is no reason to remove it. Outside of censoring and not liking it, I can see no reason why it would be removed. - SudoGhost 11:35, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
- Agreed. It's a sourced viewpoint and one that has been important enough in comics history. Even if it were to fall under WP:FRINGE, which it doesn't, it's still brief enough that it does not constitute undue weight given to a minority view. GRAPPLE X 14:24, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
- How can Batman be homosexual. if the character appears explicitly in relationships with women in comics? You can discuss at the most if he is bisexual.
- Agreed. It's a sourced viewpoint and one that has been important enough in comics history. Even if it were to fall under WP:FRINGE, which it doesn't, it's still brief enough that it does not constitute undue weight given to a minority view. GRAPPLE X 14:24, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
- Maybe I'm grossly mistaken, but didn't the perception of Batman being possibly homosexual play some part in the Comics Code Authority being created? Again, this is what I'm led to believe, but if true, that alone makes the homosexuality aspect of the article relevant and necessary. Regardless of my possible misunderstanding of this, it is also something that is addressed in culture, so to ignore it would be inappropriate and unfair to readers, as it is an aspect that carries some weight. Wikipedia is WP:NOTCENSORED, and not liking it is no reason to remove it. Outside of censoring and not liking it, I can see no reason why it would be removed. - SudoGhost 11:35, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
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- There is an absolute need for a section on homosexual interpretations. As far as the character's sexuality, even if he himself is heterosexuals, Batman comics themselves can still be read as queer texts - ie of special relevance and interest to queer readers. Euchrid (talk) 00:42, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
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[edit] Batman Beyond
Even though Terry McGinnis is Batman Beyond or Batman of the future, shouldn't he be under "partnerships" that is under his picture of Batman at the top? Superman and Batgirl and Robin are all under there. I understand that Nightwing isn't under there because they were never directly partners, but I believe Terry McGinnis or Batman Beyond should be, despite how far away he is in the timeline since superman and batgirl were not partners at the same time either.
[edit] Batman story featuring Batboy?
This question is aimed at the wikipage on Batman.
I seem to recall that in the Batman comic series (some time probably during the 1960's) I recall Robin querying Batman about whether a suitable name for him would be "Batboy" rather than Robin. I think that this led to a (one off) story of Batman recounting that there had previously been a Batboy (who I think died). I wonder if any other readers or contributors could make a comment on this.
Jpmct (talk) 13:26, 13 August 2011 (UTC)Jpmct
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- Even if the issue in question could be tracked down, ff every piece of Silver Age ephemera was considered canon, the article would become unmanagably long.Euchrid (talk) 03:55, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
- If it were to be added (and as Euchrid points out, that's not really that necessary), it probably would make more sense in the Robin (comics) or List of Batman supporting characters articles. GRAPPLE X 04:02, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
- Even if the issue in question could be tracked down, ff every piece of Silver Age ephemera was considered canon, the article would become unmanagably long.Euchrid (talk) 03:55, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
[edit] Darknight Detective
The "Darknight Detective" title is a nickname that was rarely used in the 80s, but is no longer used. As such, it does not belong in the lede, which is an introduction to the article and a summary of its most important aspects. This is not an important aspect. I suggest that if it is insisted that this title is in the article, that it is placed somewhere within the article itself as opposed to the lede. Placing it in the lede gives undue weight to a nickname that is hardly ever used, giving the impression that this is a commonly attributed nickname, when it is not. This is why I removed it from the lede, as it doesn't belong there, sourced or not. - SudoGhost 13:45, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
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- The assertion that Batman wasn't referred to as the Darknight Detective during the '80s is flat-out wrong. I have enough of my old comics from that time (not to mention the '70s) to prove it. jtmatbatjtmatbat 14:06, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
- I think you misunderstood. I didn't assert that Batman wasn't referred to as such in the 80's. I said he rarely was. After the 80's (1989 to be exact), I'm not aware of any references to Batman as such. The fact that Batman hasn't been called that in over twenty years (and during the 80's, it wasn't an often used nickname for him) makes it a minor detail. Searching online for "Darknight Detective" turns up little, with no real reliable sources that could establish anything, so if it was a commonly used name for Batman, it doesn't seem to be well reflected on the internet. Minor details like that don't belong in the lede, which is a summary of the article's most importance aspects. - SudoGhost 18:31, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
- 2¢ - Along with the issues related to the lead section there is also a need to establish a context for the term when adding it within the remainder of the article. There should be something reliable that can be cited, on-line or off, for the writers or editorial creating, using, and re-using these types of terms for the character. And that would be worth looking into. - J Greb (talk) 20:52, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
- I think you misunderstood. I didn't assert that Batman wasn't referred to as such in the 80's. I said he rarely was. After the 80's (1989 to be exact), I'm not aware of any references to Batman as such. The fact that Batman hasn't been called that in over twenty years (and during the 80's, it wasn't an often used nickname for him) makes it a minor detail. Searching online for "Darknight Detective" turns up little, with no real reliable sources that could establish anything, so if it was a commonly used name for Batman, it doesn't seem to be well reflected on the internet. Minor details like that don't belong in the lede, which is a summary of the article's most importance aspects. - SudoGhost 18:31, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
- The assertion that Batman wasn't referred to as the Darknight Detective during the '80s is flat-out wrong. I have enough of my old comics from that time (not to mention the '70s) to prove it. jtmatbatjtmatbat 14:06, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
[edit] Issue with sentence in opening paragraph
In the opening paragraph it says Batman has appeared in "many of DC Comics' publications". A better wording would be Batman has appeared in publications by DC Comics or primarily in publications by DC Comics. - Chavando (talk) 02:35, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
[edit] Love interests
There should be an added subcategory about the various love interests whom Bruce Wayne/Batman had throughout the decades. Perhaps even a subcategory of some of the children he had as well.--Splashen (talk) 06:18, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
[edit] Rocksteady games
How come no mentions of the Rocksteady games Arkham Asylum and Arkham City?
CrocodilesAreForWimps (talk) 18:53, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
[edit] The New 52
While reading I noticed this, " While many characters have their histories significantly altered to attract newer, younger readers, Batman's history remains mostly intact". While this is somewhat true I think it lacks information, alot of fans hate The New 52 because of the assumption that the comic franchise was created as a permanent change in the heroes lives. Batman may have a new comic going on right now, altered reality, but its a continuation of the Flashpoint series, and will ultimately end in 5-10 years depending on how the story goes, so Batman's reality will revert back to how it was pre- new 52, and I feel this should be re-written by someone who can talk better and added to the section about Batman in the new 52. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1AndOnlyTheGoob (talk • contribs) 09:09, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
[edit] "In 1989, the first issue of Legends of the Dark Knight, the first new solo Batman title in nearly fifty years, sold close to a million copies."
Should be moved and clarified: DKR is a solo title. --193.254.155.48 (talk) 14:06, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
[edit] Please ADD Nationality
batman is AN AMERICAN Hero Please ADD It's Nationality — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saccyind (talk • contribs) 13:02, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
- We do not generally assign nationalities to fictional characters, at least not in the lead sentences. It's not an intrinsic factor of describing who/what the topic is. The fact that Batman was created by American writers/artists and published by an American comic company does not mean we need to lead of with "Batman is an American hero". --IllaZilla (talk) 23:58, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
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