Talk:Batman: Arkham Asylum

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DRM?[edit]

Shouldn't games have some information on the digital restrictions management in use? I saw this for sale on steam but was trying to figure out what SecuRom 4 machine activation limit actually means. I know the Xbox360 version doesn't have that garbage, but the pc version has issues worth noting in this article. Should this be in the video game template? Teque5 (talk) 06:07, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

See the second half of the first paragraph in the "Development and marketing" section of this article. --Teancum (talk) 09:51, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
That appears to have been removed. I was certainly very very surprised when I bought this game that you *require* a Windows Live account or whatever nonsense Microsoft is pushing these days, and you MUST be online to play, even though it is single player! How come everyone kicked up such a fuss about Sim City (2013) requiring a network connection for the single player game and not a peep was made about this? I think it deserves at least a line in the article - somebody must have criticised it.81.154.218.110 (talk) 00:07, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
If there is a reliable source that covered it then I agree, however I don't remember that being the case. --Teancum (talk) 12:36, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

new page[edit]

when is someone going to make a page for the sequel? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.100.154.19 (talk) 02:54, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Probably when there's more to discuss than just the fact that its coming. --MASEM (t) 03:28, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

It's pass the buck guy! "When is someone going to do this for me?" If you want a sequel page, make one!129.139.1.68 (talk) 17:46, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Who voices Scarface?[edit]

In the third Scarecrow-induced nightmare, Scarface is seen talking on the monitors, and he sounds a lot like George Dzundza, does anybody know if he (George Dzundza) voiced him (Scarface) in here (BAA)?--Siamesehare (talk) 04:00, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Villain at ending[edit]

why does wiki say it is a mysterious villain, and in the edit page it says to not edit it as it is "unclear" at to who the villain is, when its clearly bane? somebody sort it out please —Preceding unsigned comment added by Carmi88 (talkcontribs) 21:55, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

This is because there is a randomized cutscene at the end that could show 3 different hands: Scarecrow's, Bane's, or Killer Croc's. If you don't believe me, watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ug78iNN7yQ. Razr95 (talk) 00:29, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Batman: Arkham Asylum/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Ryderofpelham123 (talk) 21:15, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

I am currently taking a look at the article for assessment. Ryderofpelham123 (talk) 21:15, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Assessment[edit]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

  1. Is it reasonably well written?
    A. Prose quality:
    B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:
  2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
    A. References to sources:
    B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
    C. No original research:
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. Major aspects:
    B. Focused:
  4. Is it neutral?
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. Is it stable?
    No edit wars, etc:
  6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
    A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
    B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:
    Excellent article. Well written and up to good article standards. Pass with flying colors.

Ryderofpelham123 (talk) 21:20, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Third image[edit]

I was thinking that the third image could be animated to better depict the animation and the "swooping" mechanic. Thoughts? - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 03:03, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Cast list?[edit]

I can provide the complete cast list if that would fit in, at the moment some of the actors are just mentioned in a paragraph. BluesHarpGuy (talk) 16:30, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

The Wikiproject Video games standard is to try to fit the most notable actors into the prose rather than a cast list. Thanks though.--Teancum (talk) 18:56, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

FA Push[edit]

Hi, I want to take this article to FA so it and City can be united. There was some good info to grow from here, but I'm struggling to think where to go next. Does anyone have any suggestions for additional coverage, good references or free images of cast and/or marketing that could be relevant to the article? I think a NFC image of Harley Quinn would be good alongside some critical commentary, as I recall there was some criticism of her being one of the few female characters and so sexualised in her redesign. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 10:45, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

I did a lot of work to get this to GA, so I'm excited to see it head toward being an FA. Unfortunately I don't feel comfortable with FA-level prose. The best I can do is go reference hunting if you need some facts to back a statement up. Just ping me here if you need something. I have this page on my watchlist. --Teancum (talk) 12:44, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
There's a small part of the gameplay with a "citation needed" tag and anything about the comic would be useful or Wildstorm, the comic I can't find any info about, the source there doesn't contain a lot of the sentence it is sourcing in the article. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 18:55, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────*Does anyone more familiar with the story want to give the plot a look? It's a while since I played it but I'm unclear on the Titan situation, the formula is destroyed in the library, but after Young is saved, Batman says Joker has Venom and the formula, and he is somehow producing Titan elsewhere in the gardens. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 23:11, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

  • Many of the reviews in the article such as IGN, Wired, GameSpot label the game as a third-persion action game, the only one i noticed also listed adventure was the Xplay one, is there a source for it being an action adventure or is meant to be an action game? Darkwarriorblake (talk) 21:07, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Was there any backlash to the Harley Quinn redesign that could be mentioned in the article? Darkwarriorblake (talk) 15:05, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Mac OS X developer/publisher[edit]

Feral Interactive developed and published Arkham Asylum for Mac OS X on 3 November 2011. To omit Feral Interactive from the lists and mentions of other developers/publishers would be to incorrectly imply that WB/Rocksteady developed/published the Mac version themselves. Here is the Batman: Arkham Asylum mini-site on Feral's official website: http://www.feralinteractive.com/en/mac-games/bmaa/ Eeeeeb (talk) 14:35, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Feral Interactive is a non-entity, it took an already existing and released game, and made it work on another platform, they added nothing and the result was a minor releae that received neither recognition nor awards, yet your edits attempt to thrust them as high on the article as you can, and your many edits relate solely to the same across many articles, the promotion of Feral Interactive, so you are either a giant Feral Interactive fan or employed by Feral Interactive, either of which places you in violation of WP: COI and WP: NEUTRAL. The publisher/porter of the game is not important, over the next 50 years it may be ported to many platforms and it will be inappropriate and impractical to list them all in the opening sentence, the OS X version is mentioned in the lead already also. The infobox relates directly to the core original game, my own personal stance is later formates and dates should be under a collapsible list, but Feral Interactive does not require mentioning in the lead, here or on Arkham City, it is not special in relation to the game, and it provided nothing towards the core game, it does not belong in the infobox. It is mentioned, as appropriate, in the release section where the releases are mentioned. This is more than sufficient for anyone not attempting to heavily promote this individual company with a minor involvement in this game's history. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 19:22, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
In the interest of full disclosure, I work for Feral Interactive. I've added this info to my userpage so people are aware. My edits are intended not to promote the company but to update information and ensure factual correctness, such as listing Feral among the publishers of a game. In this case, while I understand that the sentence in the top paragraph might give Feral undue weight, I feel that to leave the publisher out of the info box is incorrect, as what's there right now implies that the wrong publisher/developer is responsible for the Mac version. The platform OS X is listed, but the only publishers listed are Eidos and WB, strongly (and incorrectly) suggesting that they published the game for the OS X among other platforms. Note that the publishers/developers fields have no criteria about who published/developed it first, or who is most "important to the core game".
Further to this, Feral is not a non-entity, as its games feature original development for which its Mac versions (not the original versions) have actually won major awards, including a BAFTA (The Movies: Superstar Edition) and an Apple Developer Award (Deus Ex: Human Revolution). I agree with the collapsible list idea, as long as the information is there. When Feral is mentioned as a publisher/developer, having Mac OS X in parenthesis makes it clear that it was not one of the original developers/publishers.Eeeeeb (talk) 11:09, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
The guideline does actually say talk about ports in prose where necessary. There is no explicit implication that Rocksteady developed the OSX version, while it is explicitly mentioned in the prose that Feral worked on the port. Also I remind you that people who have a vested interest in a subject are not permitted to edit that content in articles, actors aren't allowed to edit their own articles, they have to request edits be made, and your edits on WIkipedia have been solely self-serving towards the promotion of Feral Interactive which is a blatant Conflict of Interest. Feral's contribution is covered fairly sufficiently for what it is, a port of an existing game. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 22:02, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
My point isn’t about the prose but the infobox. There is a section in the infobox that lists publishers and developers. Feral Interactive is a publisher and developer of this game. How important or unimportant you deem the company or its work is irrelevant to this fact. For one of many examples of this, see Tomb Raider: Legend, where developers for other platforms are listed under a drop-down menu. This is what I suggest for AA and AC.
Regarding the conflict of interest, please note that it has already been disclosed. Furthermore, WP:COI does not mention that editing your own articles is not permitted as you claim, but very strongly discouraged. Be that as it may, I am not currently editing this article. I’m following guidelines by suggesting edits on the Talk page. Eeeeeb (talk) 16:02, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
Just because other stuff exists (ie the Tomb Raider page), doesn't mean it is necessarily correct or should be followed. Due to the scope of both Arkham articles, the mention of Feral in prose is perfectly sufficient, given that it is just a port. As for the conflict of interest, there still is one, due to the fact that it only became disclosed after Darkwarriorblake questioned you on it. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:27, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
Feral developed and published a version of both games (AC and AA), which is why I suggest it should be listed in the infobox along with the other developers/publishers. To give it less weight than the original developer/publisher, I suggest putting it in a dropdown list. And I agree - I was not saying the example is necessarily correct or should be followed. I was suggesting it. I also agree that there's a conflict of interest, I wasn't denying that. Again, I'm following guidelines by discussing edits on the Talk page. I’m a new editor to Wikipedia and did not think to disclose my position to begin with. Though it’s worth noting that I disclosed of my own free will - either that or I was outed, which would mean darkwarriorblake is in violation of the policy against harassment. WP:OUTING Eeeeeb (talk) 17:00, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
WP:OUTING is when another editor posts your information, which was not done. Darkwarriorblake just questioned your connection to the topic, due to COI. If you want more opinions on this matter, state your case at the Video Game wikiproject to bring in other opinions. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:51, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
I thought I would add a comment to this section, the Mac version did add things that some of the other versions didn't have, (it also won some Mac awards for the quality of the Mac version). The Joker DLC was a PS3 exclusive on initial release but it was built into the Mac GOTY release, it has never been added into the 360 or PC versions. Additionally the Mac version had increased gamepad support compared to the other versions allowing Mac users to play with various gamepads from the 360 to the Playstation pads and many others, this was a well received usability feature by Mac fans of the game. Most other games pages that have different developers and publishers on different platforms are credited, I think a case could be made that this page is different to the norm and adding the information on the developer/publisher on the Mac is relevant and also corrects a problem with the main page, namely is suggests the developer and publisher on the Mac is the same as Windows which is incorrect. In the interests of full disclosure I worked as the producer on the Mac version (I am still a Feral employee) including working on the Mac specific features like the Joker support and improved gamepad support. I would be interested to see what other editors think about this suggestion given the fact that the Mac version has some specific features that make it different to the other versions. However due to my connection to the game I will leave the rest to the wiki community but I am available to give any details/facts if other editors want/need them.edddeduck —Preceding undated comment added 11:46, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
Given a notable source I don't see an issue with mentioning the Joker DLC came with the OSX version, but gamepad support, improved or no, is not notable, any fan has a gamepad preference over another. Per WP:OTHERSTUFF, other articles doing something does not mean other articles should be doing it. This example at Sonic the Hedgehog shows why it is not feasible to accommodate every possible iteration of everything, but at the end of the day, Rocksteady made the game, Feral made it work on something else but even the Joker DLC wasn't new, it was ported over. DWB (talk) / Comment on Dishonored's FA nom! 15:40, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
Rocksteady Studios developed the game. Feral added no new content to the game, they simply ported it. That requires development, sure, but I don't think it should be listed as one of the Developers. Putting them there might confuse people into thinking that the OS X is actually a different game since it has its own developer. I think Feral's involvement in the port is adequately handled in the Release section. --Odie5533 (talk) 17:33, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Change to gameplay Section[edit]

I have a made a small change to the sentence "and cryptic messages left in the asylum by its founder Amadeus Arkham that discuss the facility's bleak history" by deleting the reference to Amadeus Arkham. The identity of the person leaving the messages is not revealed until quite late in the story, so this sentence as originally drafted is a spoiler.Colmarr (talk) 01:00, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

We don't deal in WP:SPOILERS. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 04:49, 15 May 2015 (UTC)