Talk:Battle of Leyte Gulf

Photos

I've just removed about a half dozen photos of US ships and aircraft which which took part in the battle but where the photo doesn't show them during the battle. As the purpose of including these photos was presumably only to show what the ships and aircraft looked like they're best placed in the articles on the ships and aircraft rather than the article on this battle, which is already well illustrated with photos and maps. Similarly, I've removed a section on the Fletcher class DDs as this material simply described the ships, and hence really belongs in the article on the class. I have also removed the forced sizing of thumbnail photos in line with WP:MOS which states that "Specifying the size of a thumbnail image is not necessary: without specifying a size, the width will be what readers have specified in their user preferences". --Nick Dowling (talk) 02:07, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

• Thank you! I stumbled across this article today and the first thing I noticed was the large images. I'm glad someone knows about the images in the MOS. I've never read up on those. And when i was resizing the pictures of the Fletcher's, I too wondered if the section was necessary. But thanks once again for your work. The page looks much better! Caster23 ^{talk contribs} 02:13, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Bull Run Battle

Is it refering to the fist or second, or both? Please disambig. Randomblue (talk) 14:03, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it refers to one in particular, but I redirected it to the first battle for lack of a better option. Parsecboy (talk) 14:16, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

It's referring to neither-they calles the Battle of Bulls Run referring to Halsey (aka 'Bull') chasing after the Japanese fleet; with correct punctuation it would be 'Bull's run' (Nick31091 (talk) 02:03, 7 December 2008 (UTC))

Reference style?

This article uses parenthetical referencing, instead of the usual footnotes. Is there a reason?
—WWoods (talk) 16:28, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

New book on Surigao Strait

FYI, Anthony Tully, one of the coauthors of Shattered Sword about the Battle of Midway, states on his message board [1] that he has written a book on the Battle of Surigao Strait that should be out later this year. Cla68 (talk) 02:29, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

The book is out now. I have a copy and it looks to be an excellent source for both the US and Japanese side in the battle. Cla68 (talk) 00:55, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

List of sources

FYI, a list of sources on this subject can be found here: [2]. Cla68 (talk) 03:49, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Heavy Carriers at Leyte Gulf

I found verification of 9 heavy aircraft carriers ( CV ) at Leyte gulf (under battle of Sibuyan sea by Eugene Cammeron)

            Task force 38

11:47 AM 9/2/2008 TG 38.1 CV-18 Wasp, CV-12 Hornet. CV-19 Hancock, TG 38.2 CV-11 Intrepid, CV-17 Bunker Hill TG 38.3 CV-9 Essex. CV-16 Lexington TG 38.4 CV-13 Franklin, CV-6 Enterprise also I thought Saratoga (cv 3?) was in the battle? (B1wilson (talk) 19:34, 1 September 2008 (UTC))

CV-3 Status of Saratoga circa Oct 1944 Battle of Leyte Gulf

Saratoga was relegated to a training ship and then was almost sunk at Chichigima Feb of 1945 then later sunk at operation crossroads and is now part of a reef at Bekini atoll. It is interwsting to note Saratoga was originally laid down as a battlecruiser and entered the war with sister ship Lexington as fast carriers. Japanese carrier Kaga was also a battleship at the start and had one flight deck and two hanger decks which could also launch airplanes. (B1wilson (talk) 20:08, 1 September 2008 (UTC))

To be more specific, Saratoga was training night air groups along with USS Ranger at the time of the battle. She returned to combat duty flying a night air group alongside Enterprise and was performing this duty when she was knocked out of the war by Japanese bombers near Chi-chi Jima 24.116.241.223 (talk) 03:30, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Kurita's View of the Battle

I added some information regarding Kurita's perspective, derived from "Sea of Thunder" by Evans. His actions appear to be illogical given what we know of the battle, but they take on a different perspective given the fact that he believed he'd been engaging Third Fleet rather than Taffy 3. He genuinely believed that he had defeated a segment of Halsey's fleet and sunk at least three Essex-class carriers. He also thought that the rest of Third Fleet was close enough to finish him off by air attack at any moment, and that entering Leyte Gulf would only lead to the destruction of the only remaining battle force in the IJN. Kurita felt that he could gain nothing by sinking a few transports, nor could he inflict further damage on "Third Fleet", since it was sheer luck that the carriers had come under his guns in the first place. Given that, his retreat makes much more sense from his perspective. Had he known that Ozawa's plan had worked, he might have acted differently. 24.116.241.223 (talk) 03:30, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Can I add external link to Leyte Gulf animated map - was recommeded by US Naval Institute

My external to link to the animated map for Battle of Leyte Gulf was deleted a while ago see http://www.historyanimated.com/LeyteGulf.html

The animations on the site are thoroughly researched and take about 250 hours each to complete.

They were just recommended by the US Naval Institute - see http://blog.usni.org/?p=3121#more-3121 They are used by hundreds of military worldwide as well as schools and universities. I can document.

Would it be OK if I restore the link? Leyte Gulf is one of my best ones. The link directly to the animation does not promote the site nor myself. It follows Wiki guidelines for external liks Thank you for your considerationGeorge11Williams (talk) 14:11, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Paragraph 8 seems like a report of the Great Marianas Turkey shoot

The 8th paragraph on "Background" beginning "On 12 October 1944, the US 3rd Fleet under Admiral Halsey began..." quotes a loss of 600 Japanese aircraft. No reference is provided, nor can I find one. This number is the oft-cited number if aircraft lost in the Great Marianas Turkey Shoot in June. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.18.201.36 (talk) 17:19, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Additional thoughts.

In the debates over the years over "Bull's Run", an interesting thought gets left out: composition of 3 rd. fleet. Adm. Nimitz, CINCPAC, could have solved the issue before it even arrived by simply seperating the carriers in 3 rd fleet by type, in effect creating a permant 5 th. fleet, and assigning it to adm. Lee for the op. 3 rd fleet had 4 groups within it. by placing the CVL class ships in groups .3 and .4, suffient air strength would be available for the covering force, as 5 th. fleet, while groups .1 and .2, with the big cv class, remained available to Halsey, AS A SEPERATE ENTITY.

Also of interest are 2 battle cruisers available, with 12 inch guns which never get mentioned , Alaska and Guam, which would augument Halsey's firepower even with TF-34 staying behind ..

Cliff58.1 (talk) 04:17, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Cliff58.1, see WP:OR and WP:SYNTHESIS. We can work these speculations into the article only if they've been published by a credible historian. --Yaush (talk) 15:20, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Number of Japanese Aircraft

So in the infobox it says that the Japanese had 300+ aircraft, but under the losses section it says they lost around 500... could the number of planes in the infobox be updated to 500+ because if they lost 500, they had to have atleast that many, or would that be considered WP:SYNTH? Thanks in advance! Jeancey (talk) 15:35, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed the same thing. Here are the edits where the two numbers were introduced - may be useful for determining accuracy: [3] [4] — RockMFR 02:36, 20 December 2011 (UTC)