Talk:Battle of al-Qusayr (2013)

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Syrian army won the battle for al-Qusayr[edit]

Syrian army captures strategic border town of Qusair. Syria rebels say they have lost battle for Al-Qusayr.https://now.mmedia.me/lb/en/nowsyrialatestnews/syria-rebels-say-they-have-lost-battle-for-qusayr1 http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/06/2013655429874831.html http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/05/us-syria-crisis-town-idUSBRE9540622013060592.113.16.212 (talk) 10:37, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

"First day", "second day", ... "seventeenth day"[edit]

It would be helpful if someone more familiar with this topic can go through and clarify these to the actual dates. I am not familiar enough with the situation to just blindly rename them based on assumed dates (since some could overlap, etc), but in the current format, it's very hard to tell what happened on each actual calendar date. E.g., "seventeenth day" should refer to 4 Jun (unless it spanned multiple days as noted.) And it might make sense to combine multiple days into fewer sections where appropriate, but again I'm not familiar enough with the topic to easily do that. – 2001:db8:: (rfc | diff) 00:34, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, something is not right. The battle ended on the 18th day, not the 17th. I'll look into this.--FutureTrillionaire (talk) 00:54, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
The error occurred near the end. I've fixed it now. I agree that this article has too many sections. I'll see what I can do.--FutureTrillionaire (talk) 01:00, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
Okay, I've divided into weeks instead of days.--FutureTrillionaire (talk) 01:08, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. It's still unclear whether the Syrian army regained control on June 4 or June 5 (since I edited the lead to clarify "seventeenth", but that was changed to "eighteenth" before a further edit, I think...so maybe it was June 5?) It'd probably be helpful to just label these as "19 May - 26 May" (rather than "first week", or in addition to that in parentheses), but I'm again not familiar enough to do that without scouring sources, since I'd be concerned about unknowingly creating errors across timeline boundaries. (Edit: And that also makes it unclear whether it was the 17th or 18th day, per [1], since I WP:CALCed off that previous version. I'm having trouble finding in the sources whether it the was the 4th or 5th, but for internal consistency, it'd have to the be the 5th. But someone more familiar with the event should probably take a look at that.) – 2001:db8:: (rfc | diff) 02:27, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
The battle for the city itself is not over as the rebels are still present in the northwestern part of the city. The loyalists captured the city center along with most of the city, but the battle is not necessarily over. NightShadeAEB (talk) 02:52, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Casualties[edit]

"The fighting continued for another 16 days and the tables were slowly turned against the Qusayr fighters. After the fall of the city into government hands, the opposition admitted defeat and published the names of 431 fighters they said died in the battle.

More reliable opposition sources, however, put the number at over 1,200 dead and 1,000 injured. Al-Akhbar also learned that Hezbollah and government forces managed to capture around 1,000 fighters, including a number of female Chechen snipers and an Australian national, among others. As for Hezbollah, estimates are that it lost 93 fighters, with dozens more injured."

http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/syria-qusayr-battle%E2%80%99s-unofficial-story — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:8C40:40:0:0:0:70E9:7B27 (talk) 23:01, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Misleading sentence in the opening section.[edit]

This led to thousands of civilians fleeing,[26] though 25,000 residents stayed

While I am not doubting the truth of this statement, it implies to me that the majority left. The population of Al-Qusayr is around 29,000 by out data. That shows that only 4,000 left meaning the overwhelming majority remained. I'm seeking consensus here because there will be people who know more than me, but I think the section should be changed to better represent the proportions. For instance, I only found out the total population after reading that and wondering what 25,000 translated into, I didn't expect it to be such a high majority. Mtaylor848 (talk) 16:28, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

I don't know what sources say, but the town seemed completely deserted by the end of the battle. - ☣Tourbillon A ? 07:40, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Sections[edit]

I have collected -some of the- reports on civilians in one place to create some space in the main battle article. For the time being I collated only the sections that talked explicitly about civilians. There are several instances where the sources talk about wounded generally (I am assuming both fighters and civilians). Those i left where they were because I suppose it would be controversial to sum fighters and civilians together and I didn't have the time to check all the sources individually to clarify. I suppose we will need another section describing the order of battle which would allow to remove even more material from the main battle section. And finally, the battle section will need some clean-up to remove daily (and often contradictory) reports of troop movements and minor skirmishes (or rumours about them) that weren't that significant in the long run. Especially the thing with the different claims about percentages of control has to be checked somehow because as its stands it only causes confusion. Kkostagiannis (talk) 01:48, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Your edit breaks the timeline flow of the battle. Events that occurred during the battle that involved civilians are also part of the battle. EkoGraf (talk) 19:10, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Well with your revert you still keep the refugees in Lebanon under the irrelevant subsection "casualties". And I cannot really see how the death of a journalist or the situation in a hospital are related to the battle itself. Kkostagiannis (talk) 00:35, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Ged Uk[edit]

GED UK is a son of bitch ,a pro-rebel scum ,a coward who is very lucky because if a I know where he live.....

Was Khader Nasrallah a commander?[edit]

Was Khader Nasrallah a commander during the Battle of Qusayr? Because being a relative of Hassan Nasrallah doesnt mean being automatically a Hezbullah commander or leader. Take the example of his son Hadi Nasrallah. If not reliable sources are given confirming that status, it must be removed from infobox, as its reserved for commanders and leaders. Although, it should be mentioned in the article's text, because of its relevance.--HCPUNXKID (talk) 14:26, 17 November 2013 (UTC)