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Linking to a discography resource[edit]

I contributed by adding a new link to the musician's page. Wikipedia puts enormous weight on relying on Discogs and MusicBrainz as resources but I find that the external link I was adding [1] is as much, if not more, a useful resource to provide the user. I didn't know that this is considered 'spam' - if it is, I apologize but I think the links were reverted quickly without a second glance as to the merit of the resource. Mimecuvalo (talk) 01:43, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Conflicting statements on affiliation with Scientology[edit]

In Background it says that it is just a rumour that he's a Scientologist, and that he is Jewish, but in Personal Life it says he is a Scientologist, in his own words. JordanZed (talk) 04:33, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

That's because the person who made the change (saying it's just a rumor) is incorrect. They are not just rumors--Beck has acknowledged being a Scientologist in numerous published articles since March 2005. On the other hand, he hasn't claimed to be Jewish for years. Candy (talk) 05:16, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

School Attendance and Last Name[edit]

I just undid the addition of this text: "During his childhood, he alternated between the names 'Beck Hansen' and 'Beck Campbell' according to school yearbooks. Beck attended the Scientology-affiliated school known as The Apple School for most of his youth until dropping out after the 9th grade in 1985." I realize that Beck has been widely reported to have attended the Apple School; however, I have never seen a reliable report of how long he attended. I don't see adding the information as a problem; it just needs to be documented. It's also not clear that Beck dropped out after the 9th grade in 1985. His reported statements on the subject have been inconsistent; I'm not sure which source could be accepted as reliable, aside from school records. About the name, I think saying what names he used in school yearbooks is okay if you can specifically cite the yearbooks.(And if we really want to get into what his name was in his school yearbooks, we should report that it was also spelled Bek in at least one of them!) It's clearly true that Beck has used both last names, but I don't think examples should be given without documentation. Candy (talk) 20:47, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Accurate Reproduction of Quotations[edit]

User:Hux deleted parts of a quote with the comment "It's perfectly normal and universally acceptable to quote using elipses to omit extraneous information; it's only inappropriate if you mislead by omitting." It's acceptable for space, of course, but I think the quote should be reproduced as accurately as possible. That is the original writer's rendering of what Beck said in response to a question. How Beck gave that response (with, it seems, lots of uhs and pauses) gives as much insight as his actual words, so in my opinion it is misleading to change it. Candy (talk) 17:10, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

The section on Mutations and Midnite Vultures[edit]

The last paragraph of this section is kind of a grab bag about B-sides and other miscellaneous recordings. However, the songs mentioned were not released just in the Mutations/Midnite Vultures era (1998-2000); one, "Deadweight", is from 1997, and others are from later. I'm thinking this paragraph doesn't exactly fit in this section, but I'm not sure it should have its own section. Any opinions? Candy (talk) 21:20, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

GAN on hold[edit]

Version reviewed Gary King (talk) 17:37, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

  • Lead needs cleanup/reorganisation...generally 3/4 paragraphs is good...look at other FAs/GAs etc.
  • "by that city's" - by the city's would work better, I think
  • "Beck traveled and educated himself" - travel anywhere in particular, teach himself anything in particular?
  • "This is also when he met" - reword...perhaps "During this time..."
  • Does ref 14 cover the entire paragraph? Seems under referenced at times...
  • "received praise-laden reviews in Rolling Stone and Spin magazines" - 2 refs needed
  • "Best Alternative Music Performance for Mutations" - check the Mutations link here...
  • "Later that year, in November of 1999" - you've already said 1999, fix this up
  • Beck EP and Sea Change - in this section, EP title neeeds italics
  • The image in the Guero and The Information section is REALLY wide...
  • Also, first para of that section needs more sourcing
  • "Also, a music video for "Gameboy/Homeboy" was made by Wyld File" - starting sentences with "also" burns...:D
  • wlink dates in Next studio album section
  • "He has been known to play many of the instruments in his music himself." - huh? He plays the instruments in his music? Duh moment...(or am I wrong?)
  • Might want to use {{cquote}} or something for the big scientology quote, and you need a ref for the NYtimes mention.

Any more referncing would be good...leave me a note when done. Cheers, dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 10:58, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Done. Also, artists don't usually play instruments in their own music - they have other people do that for them, while they sing. Gary King (talk) 00:45, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
And I'm not usually that thick. :) dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 08:55, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
You guys (you are two people, right?) spent way more time talking about edits than it would have taken to actually make the edits. Good to have the benefit of your years of expertise in the recording studio, though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.49.77.67 (talk) 21:35, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

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Cheers, dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 08:55, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Why should we NOT move this article?[edit]

Ok, people. I want to hear some good arguments, why we shouldn't make the move of this article to "Beck (American Musician)". Wikipedia isn't your fan page, nor it's a place to measure popularity of things.

"Disambiguation in Wikipedia is the process of resolving conflicts in article titles that occur when a single term can be associated with more than one topic, making that term likely to be the natural title for more than one article. In other words, disambiguations are paths leading to different articles which could, in principle, have the same title."

So to resolve this conflict, im moving "Beck" to disambiguation page. bladez (talk) 09:21, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

This has been the subject of a few small discussions in the past, with the general consensus being that this article is fine where it is. There is nothing at Beck (disambiguation) that would reasonably be expected to occupy Beck, so I'm not sure what the conflict is. I've moved it back (twice) because there was no prior discussion, the article was effectively orphaned (the only link to this article was the disambiguation page), and the title was incorrect—it should have been Beck (musician), if it's moved at all. If you're convinced that it needs to be moved, I suggest a listing at Wikipedia:Requested moves to see if consensus has changed. --Bongwarrior (talk) 10:15, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Agreed --guyzero | talk 20:14, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
  • To me here in England, a beck is a moorland stream, and I had never heard of the musician Beck before reading this article. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 11:40, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Lettuce look at it this way. When you type "Beck" into wikipedia, 99.99% of the time you're looking for Mr. Beck Hansen, the other .01% MIGHT be for Jeff Beck or Glenn Beck or any of the other [actually popular] Beck's on this here disambiguation page. Fuck popularity though, its what it is... If I ever type Beck into wikipedia and River Beck pops up, i'm going to kill something. Also: to restate what bladez said/(quoted), its to resolve issues with articles having the same name; nothing else is ONLY referred to as Beck (just like Prince, they're cool like that), therefore it really shouldn't matter. I realize this arguement is old, but wutevs, sue me. And Anthony, you're a silly person, you don't count. I would, however, not mind seeing the disambiguation going back there on the top of the Beck page. That should be there just because of that .01% of the population; we shouldn't make them suffer more.... You people need more common sense. gtfo.Thakmere (talk) 18:21, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Correct birthdate?[edit]

In the heading, it says he was born in 1974. If, according to Wiki, he was in the 9th grade in 1985, that would make him born c. 1970. I believe 1970 is his correct birth year. Can anyone else verify this?

I believe that was simply vandalism; 1970 is correct. Fixed now. Candy (talk) 18:11, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
I would just like to add to this discussion. I was reading a book (I wish I could remember the title) about music growth in the 90s, and on Beck's page, it states his birth year as 1974 also. (talk) 6:47, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

incorperate new info[edit]

is there any need to put in information Beck presented in his recent Spin interview? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.14.128.106 (talk) 04:48, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

If you see anything in the Spin interview that is noteworthy enough to add, you can add it. There doesn't need to be a consensus before you add something. Candy (talk) 22:43, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Number of Studio Albums???[edit]

The article for Mellow Gold says it's his 2nd studio album, the article for One Foot In The Grave refers to it as "a studio album", but then the Odelay! article claims it's his third. One Foot In The Grave was recorded at someone's home studio, but nonetheless, it's not like it's a live album or something, so why doesn't it fit into the chronology correctly? What are the criteria for what's considered a "minor" recording? I only ask because his overall number of records is affected by this. 24.3.14.157 (talk) 04:04, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Cite improvement needed[edit]

I have added some cite needed tags to the article in places where things are unsourced. In addition, there are some cites to what appears to be a blog site and the site http://www.beck.com/news - it would be best to avoid these and instead rely on secondary sources independent of the subject of the article itself. Cirt (talk) 09:12, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

On Beck Being a one hit wonder[edit]

"Some critics still panned him as a one-hit wonder, and audiences' familiarity with "Loser" (especially at Lollapalooza), along with their apparent lack of interest in his other work, only reinforced his image as such.[17]"

The source come from a article in the 90s, before his top selling Grammy award winning album(Odelay)and song(Where It's At) came out. He has been well received by critics since then, earning even a 5 star review form Rolling Stone, and about a 4 star average since with other critics. He still hits the charts with his albums and is far from being a one hit wonder. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.183.203.91 (talk) 01:52, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

You are mistaken in your interpretation of what the narrative said. The text you cut did not claim that Beck is, at the present time, a one-hit wonder; it claimed that, back in 1995, some people considered him one. Also, the date on the source was 1998, after Odelay was released, but that isn't relevant, not only because you misunderstood the point of the narrative but also because that source contains nothing that backs up the one-hit wonder claim. So while I think the reasons you stated for making the deletion were unfounded, I'm not going to undo the deletion. Ahh, Wikipedia. Candy (talk) 02:49, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
Now user Anthony Appleyard (talk) has reinstated the above deleted text and source. I don't dispute the text; I am simply bothered because the source doesn't back it up. Since I don't think the text is contentious, I've left it, but I've deleted the source given and asked for a citation. Candy (talk) 21:36, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
Follow-up: since the text in question is somewhat contentious, perhaps it can be further qualified by another sentence/counterpoint. As is stands now, the criticism lacks sufficient context (imo) even with "at the time" -- especially since that bit ends the subsection. Also, the editor who re-inserted it has shown his hostility towards the article in general. -PrBeacon (talk) 18:56, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Hmm...the note that I added there saying that a citation was needed seems to have gone missing, somewhere along the way. I am in favor of simply deleting that sentence, rather than adding more after it. It is not backed up with a source. Candy (talk) 05:32, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Inclusion of tributes in article discography[edit]

The discography in the Beck article is the highlights--it doesn't include everything, not even all of Beck's albums. There is a separate discography for that. So I don't see a reason to include anyone else's albums in it. I looked at pages for other artists who I know have had tribute albums, such as Phish, Slipknot, and AC/DC, and none of the ones I checked had any tribute albums listed in the discographies on their pages. When I deleted Boogaloo to Beck from the page's discography before, user Suso de la Vega reinstated it, saying, "it's interesting and maybe some people want to check out the tribute album." To me, that seems like a weak reason for inclusion, so I have deleted again. I cannot find any official Wikipedia guidelines about what should be included in a discography. If anyone is familiar with any pertinent Wiki guidelines, I'd like to hear about them. Candy (talk) 05:16, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, the solution to this problem is easy, just add the tribute albums to the Phish, Slipknot and ACDC articles.

The reason why I added it is because an artist's discography can be found in any database like Allmusic, while other related information, like tribute albums, would be almost imposible to trace in a database. I think that it would be great if anyone who knows something about someone or something can add it to a Wikipedia article to help other people. In fact, I thought that was the whole idea of Wikipedia, but I guess I was wrong. Not everybody knows that two of the best jazz musicians of all times made an album made in its integrity of songs composed by a Beck Hansen (not that he deserves it, it should be the other way round, by the way). I thought that sharing this knowledge could be useful or interesting to someone. Again, sorry for sharing something I know with others. Suso de la Vega (talk) 16:41, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Move?[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no consensus to move the page, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 03:21, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


BeckBeck (musician) — Discussion restarted. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 09:01, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

  • "Routine-sounding" is the giveaway to your POINT OF VIEW. Away with your douchebaggery, Mr. Appleyard! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.163.65.143 (talk) 01:00, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
  • As a single word, the only identical use listed at the disambig is a "shortened form of the name Becky or Rebecca", which doesn't even have a link. I can't imagine that anyone would think "Beck" and think of Beck's beer, the river Beck, or any of the people listed whose last name is "Beck", before they'd think of Beck the musical artist. Jeff Beck is probably the next most famous "Beck" on the list and I don't think anyone commonly refers to him as just "Beck", do they? In other words, I think the way it's set up right now is the most appropriate way of doing it. -- Hux (talk) 16:28, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
  • If I recall correctly, this was discussed quite a bit in the past on this page, in entries that have been moved to the archive. I would leave it as is. Candy (talk) 16:42, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
  • I had never heard of this musician Beck. To me here in England a beck is a stream, usually in hilly country. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:58, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Were you looking up "beck" on Wikipedia because you wanted to see what it had to say about streams? I don't think Wiki even has an entry for that usage of the term, does it? Candy (talk) 17:16, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
  • I suggest to move it that way, because now actuallty many, who are searching for "Beck" are actually searching for ANIME called "Beck". bladez (talk) 15:19, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Is he still as much a great public sensation as he was a few years ago?, to be considered a dominant meaning. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:00, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Leave the article where it is. In my world, this is the dominant meaning. It's hard for me to say about others' worlds. — goethean 21:32, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Oppose. In a sense I could go either way, but ultimately disambiguation isn't needed, as all the other "Becks" have additional modifiers in their names that make so you can't confuse the subjects. I could get behind "Beck (musician)", but "Beck (American musician)" is needlessly splitting hairs.WesleyDodds (talk) 02:44, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Oppose. No other article on WP would likely take the title "Beck" except for Beck (EP) and Beck (surname) and this is certainly primary use among those three. This page had over 100,000 views last month, compared to less than 5,000 for the dab page. Station1 (talk) 19:24, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Oppose. This has been discussed and discussed and discussed, and it's being pproposed by the same person as before. I don't see any reason to change it. Candy (talk) 06:12, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The Record Club[edit]

I think it would fit well if we made a page just for the record club. We could add the musicans involved, the albums covered and maybe categories? "Albums covered in the Record Club", "Songs ---||---" or something? And of course, write about what the project is.

This is just a suggestion 195.134.59.107 (talk) 15:22, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

I have done this, although it's a bit sketchy (not in the good way the covers are :P). I've stuck Record Club in the navbox and also added to the Category:Beck albums, although i'm not entirely sure that this is the correct place to put it... --Kaini (talk) 01:22, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of paragraph quoting Stereogum quoting NME quoting Rolling Stone on Beck's "scratch vocals"[edit]

The Stereogum quote was so heavily ellipsised that I set out to find the original Rolling Stone quote by Beck. It turns out that NME mangled what Beck said, and then Stereogum (and many other outlets that picked the story up) further distorted it. In the original article, Beck is clearly speaking only about Odelay (and depending on how you interpret what he said, he may have been mainly referring to "The New Pollution"). It was a non-story that NME made a big deal about. Original RS article is here: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/13314/66711 Candy (talk) 02:00, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

kudos, caveat[edit]

Good article, it reads well, so kudos to the hard-working editors who brought it to GA status. Respectfully I offer two bits of constructive criticism: the section on Modern Guilt, Record Club.. has alot of recent info which seems undue given the overall article size; the early mention of potential 'one-hit wonder' (see talkpage section above) could use a follow-up sentence for better context. -PrBeacon (talk) 19:04, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Dead external links to Allmusic website – January 2011[edit]

Since Allmusic have changed the syntax of their URLs, 2 link(s) used in the article do not work anymore and can't be migrated automatically. Please use the search option on http://www.allmusic.com to find the new location of the linked Allmusic article(s) and fix the link(s) accordingly, prefereably by using the {{Allmusic}} template. If a new location cannot be found, the link(s) should be removed. This applies to the following external links:

--CactusBot (talk) 19:18, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

I fixed one link but didn't find a second one. There were two "deadlink" notations for one citation. Candy (talk) 00:08, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Scott Pilgrim[edit]

Beck was hevily involved with the Scott Pilgrim soundtracks - worth a mention? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.177.128.81 (talk) 12:37, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

It's mentioned in this section, though it could use expansion. —Akrabbimtalk 13:29, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Image rotation[edit]

Having this image sideways is annoying to the point of absurdity. Is this "indie"? please. i have requested image rotation at Wikimedia commons to fix this.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 08:52, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Most popular and acclaimed albums?[edit]

The second paragraph names only Odelay and Sea Change as his most acclaimed works. Yet if you look at the critical review sections of all his records, it seems Mellow Gold could just as easily be described as one of his most acclaimed (Sea Change has several mixed reviews on Wikipedia's critical reception section). Odelay is obvious, but if Sea Change is included, it only makes sense to include Mellow Gold as well. Otherwise it's just a (possibly biased) personal interpretation of the consensus of critical reviews. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.105.44.63 (talk) 03:40, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

It lists those as two of his acclaimed albums; it doesn't suggest that they are the only two acclaimed or even the most acclaimed. It's an unsourced claim and I don't feel entirely comfortable with it, but I don't think adding on another album to the list would fix the problem. Ultimately it is a personal interpretation subject to bias, no matter how many albums are listed. Candy (talk) 20:56, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
I've removed the claim. The sources cited did not back up the content. — goethean 21:47, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Early performing section, 1st paragraph, attributions to his girlfriend & her brother[edit]

There seems to be no sourcing in this paragraph, which discusses Beck's early years of 1985-88, except the statements of "personal knowledge". Can I get some feedback on whether/ how this is acceptable? Figured I'd ask here before removing as this is a "Good Article"... Boogerpatrol (talk) 17:27, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Wow, just checked & noted 1,006 watchers to this page, impressive... so I figure I'll get a good answer soon... Boogerpatrol (talk) 17:30, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
(answering myself) just stopped in to take a look, and it appears that what I'd been referring to has been replace with solid sourcing... that'll work for me... Boogerpatrol (talk) 16:09, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Contradictions in birth date and age[edit]

While reading the article, I found several contradictions in Beck's age stated throughout it. His infobox and the article lead say he was born in 1970, but later on, it states his freshmen year of high school was 1987 and was 17 in 1989, then later, it says he was 37 in 2008. So was he born in 1970, '71 or '72? This stuff really should be fixed, so if someone knows which is true it would be great if they or someone else could change it. BLAguyMONKEY! (talk) 07:27, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

No kidding. With Beck, there often is no way to tell exactly what's true without doing "original research," because articles on Beck are so contradictory. He himself said contradictory things. He definitely was born in 1970, so that provides a reliable time frame, but for something like his high school attendance, one can only draw conclusions based on the various things he's said, since there is no objective documentation. I'll review it and see if I can at least fix glaring contradictions. Candy (talk) 16:24, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
One problem is that there is something screwy with the citations. The note for the claim about Beck being a freshman in 1987 was said to be from an L.A. Times article, but it linked to a Rolling Stone article. In the RS article, it said Beck dropped out in ninth grade. So I changed it to that. But many things in this Wiki Beck article are sourced to "footnote 12," and I don't know if they are all supposed to go to the L.A. Times article or the Rolling Stone article. I wrote the editor to see if he can clear it up. (I can check each one, but I have a feeling he/she can resolve it more easily than I can, so I will hold off.)
The question of when Beck actually went to NYC is not easy to resolve because both the year and his age have been reported so inconsistently. But since the cited source said he went at age 17 in 1989 (which is impossible), I simply deleted the 17 and left 1989. People can do the math.
Modern Guilt was released on Beck's 38th birthday (according to one of the citations), so I fixed that. Candy (talk) 16:55, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Category:American Jews[edit]

Beck is already in the category "American people of Jewish descent" which is absolutely correct and true. However, his inclusion in the category "American Jews" might be problematic as his mother Bibbe Hansen is only quarter Jewish (according to her article) and she does not practice Judaism nor was raised in the religion or culture nor does he appear to self-identify as being Jewish or even as a secular Jew. Beck is a Scientologist and was never bar mitzvahed as far as I can tell. Considering this, is it appropriate to include him in the category for "American Jews"? I could accept that if he was bar mitzvahed, but IMHO mother is only part Jewish and not religious or raised culturally Jewish + Scientologist + no bar mitzvah + gentile Scientologist wife + their children being raised as gentile Scientologists = not a Jew. Laval (talk) 00:04, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Beck has stated in interviews that he was never bar-mitzvahed. (He's said he wanted to be but couldn't afford it.) In the late '90s there were a bunch of references in articles and interviews to Beck being Jewish saying that he came to it by way of his mother. I've seen speculation that he was emphasizing his Jewishness to counteract rumors of his being a Scientologist, since he wasn't publicly out yet. But I wouldn't say there were reliable sources about that. Personally, I think it's a stretch to categorize Beck as a Jew. Candy (talk) 18:26, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

It says Beck's mother's maternal grandmother was Jewish. This would mean his mother's mother's mother was Jewish. Therefore, by Orthodox tradition, he is considered a Jew regardless of what religion he practices. That has to be the reason he was listed as such, even if by other standards he's not. I happen to have exactly the same background. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.31.20.104 (talk) 01:36, 28 October 2013 (UTC)